On 2006-06-30 16:06:20 -0400, Michael C. Toren wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 09:10:30PM +0200, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> > So perhaps qmail isn't an MSA? (half kidding)
> >
> > A Mail Submission Agent is supposed to fix incoming messages - e.g. by
> > adding missing Date and Message-Id headers,
> Four possible solutions:
There is a different set of expectations for MSA and for MTA, so I use a
separate smtp server on a separate hostname for submission. That way, the
config can be completely different for these two classes of messages. For
MX I can be BOFH and for submission I can be a k
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 09:10:30PM +0200, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> So perhaps qmail isn't an MSA? (half kidding)
>
> A Mail Submission Agent is supposed to fix incoming messages - e.g. by
> adding missing Date and Message-Id headers, canonicalizing mail
> addresses, etc. An MTA on the other hand i
Michael Holzt wrote:
>> c.) Reintroduce per-user-configuration and make it part of the core.
>
> Ok, ok, i'm somewhat confused. Shouldn't write emails while peeking with
> one eye at the world cup game (at which we germans are at risk to get
> kicked out).
Nah, you'll get to the final, only to b
On 2006-06-30 13:46:27 -0400, Michael C. Toren wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 09:58:45AM -0700, Elliot Foster wrote:
> > Isn't this only an issue with mail submission, rather than receiving
> > mail?
>
> Perhaps not. sendmail will add these headers if they are missing in a mail
> submission, bu
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 09:58:45AM -0700, Elliot Foster wrote:
> Isn't this only an issue with mail submission, rather than receiving
> mail?
Perhaps not. sendmail will add these headers if they are missing in a mail
submission, but qmail on the other hand will not. So, if someone submitted
thei
> c.) Reintroduce per-user-configuration and make it part of the core.
Ok, ok, i'm somewhat confused. Shouldn't write emails while peeking with
one eye at the world cup game (at which we germans are at risk to get
kicked out).
Of course per-user-configuration won't help with configuration issues
> The problem is that the header checks all happen in data_post and the
> relay check is during connect (and rcpt). It may be possible to create
> a hook for data_post which bypasses the remaining data_post hooks iff
> $connection->relay_client()...
Not a good solution because it lacks flexibi
Elliot Foster wrote:
Isn't this only an issue with mail submission, rather than receiving
mail? Wouldn't it be appropriate to just suspend the header checks (or
whatever) if the user auth'd (and is therefore submitting mail?) Am I
missing something?
That'd be another way to deal with it (i.e.
John Peacock wrote:
> Michael Holzt wrote:
>> However i came to the conclusion that the Date:-Headerchecking from
>> check_basicheaders is unreliable because there are other legitimate
>> clients as well who lack the Date: header. Its against the standard,
>> but its real life.
>
> We have some HP
Michael Holzt wrote:
However i came to the conclusion that the Date:-Headerchecking from
check_basicheaders is unreliable because there are other legitimate
clients as well who lack the Date: header. Its against the standard,
but its real life.
We have some HP printers that have a "scan to e-ma
> Wouldn't it be better to check for the X-Mailer line instead:
> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807
> since that should be far more accurate.
It seems that the test message is created by a complete different part of
Outlook than normal messages. The test message does not contain
Michael Holzt wrote:
I tracked down the problem and found that this wunderful piece of shit from
Redmond called Outlook does not set a Date: Header in the mail which is
generated for testing. Therefore check_basicheaders denied the mail which
in turn led to the error message described.
That's
> I checked a little bit more into the situation to see if i can find a way
> to identify such test mails and excempt them from the test, but could not
> find a criteria which would be secure enough.
Oh, err on my side. What i thought to be a unique identifier or something
like that in the subject
Michael Holzt wrote:
> [...]
> Redmond called Outlook does not set a Date: Header in the mail which is
> generated for testing. Therefore check_basicheaders denied the mail which
> in turn led to the error message described.
>
Yep - been there:
http://www.contribs.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id
Just as a note for others who might run across this problem:
I just had a call from a client who had trouble setting up an email account
with us using Outlook. He entered the account information into Outlook and
then tried the available function to test an account. He always got a
cryptic error
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