Re: Q610 (was RE: CPU Chip Speed)

2002-12-31 Thread J Sand
In a 610, the CPU chip is very close to the power supply and that is a determining factor on the size of the heat sink. actually when I replaced the chip it was on the complete opposite side of the MB than the power supply and I don't think anything else was in the way but when I bought the

Re: Q610 (was RE: CPU Chip Speed)

2002-12-31 Thread otto hansen
My mistake, it was the hard drive and cables near the chip. ahh yes the cables could possibly get in the way (or melt themselves on the heatsink) but I think I have to build a new case for the 610 anyways in order to make room for a fullheight drive and aditional powersupply (and a few ccfl tubes)

Re: Q610 (was RE: CPU Chip Speed)

2002-12-29 Thread the pickle
At 00:15 -0500 on 29/12/02, Scott Holder wrote: At 10:49 PM 12/28/2002 -0500, you wrote: Yes. You *need* the heatsink for the full 040 if you want it to keep working longer than a few hours. Well, I dunno about this. I have a 33mhz '040 with no heatsink in my Q605 running at 33mhz that had a

Re: Q610 (was RE: CPU Chip Speed)

2002-12-29 Thread the pickle
At 22:05 -0600 on 28/12/02, otto hansen wrote: wow...well im glad I found this out.. would it work fine to take any heat sink that was big enough and just attatch it with thermal glue? I don't trust thermal glue any further than I can throw it, especially because it's usually next to impossible

Re: CPU Chip Speed

2002-12-29 Thread the pickle
At 00:44 -0700 on 29/12/02, J Sand wrote: Also by swapping this chip into my 610 from a 577, did I increase the CPU speed from 20 to 33 or is there something on the MB I need to change also to take advantage of the faster chip? In order to make a part run faster, you have to modify the

Re: CPU Chip Speed

2002-12-29 Thread Jeff Walther
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:25:19 EST In a message dated 12/28/02 6:57:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... I'm not sure what the XC or B means yet, still learning. RC is the package type: ceramic, pin-through hole, in this case. B is the step, the particular revision

Re: CPU Chip Speed

2002-12-29 Thread Frederick Silliman
Jeff Walther wrote: XC should read MC, meaning Motorola, not XC, and the LC will be absent on a full function chip Motorola often substitutes an 'X' for the 'M' in early runs of their chips. I forget the exact explanation of the meaning, but it's something like, this was an experimental

Re: Q610 (was RE: CPU Chip Speed)

2002-12-29 Thread otto hansen
In a 610, the CPU chip is very close to the power supply and that is a determining factor on the size of the heat sink. actually when I replaced the chip it was on the complete opposite side of the MB than the powersupply and I dont think anything else was in the way but when I bought the chip I

Re: CPU Chip Speed

2002-12-28 Thread PeterH5322
In a message dated 12/28/02 6:57:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... I'm not sure what the XC or B means yet, still learning. RC is the package type: ceramic, pin-through hole, in this case. B is the step, the particular revision of the masks used to make the chip. XC should read MC,

Re: CPU Chip Speed

2002-12-28 Thread J Sand
XC should read MC, meaning Motorola, not XC, and the LC will be absent on a full function chip. Such a full function chip would read: MC68040RC33B, and this would decode as follows: MC - Motorola 68040 - it's an '040 (D'oh) RC - ceramic, pin-through-hole package 33 - 33/66 MHz (33

Re: CPU Chip Speed

2002-12-28 Thread the pickle
At 07:56 -0700 on 28/12/02, J Sand wrote: Pop the top of the case off and there will be a chip about 1.5 square with lettering on one edge. There will be two numbers after RC which will be On LC040s, this is readable no problem. On full 040s, Apple shipped them all with heatsinks, which

Re(2): CPU Chip Speed

2002-12-28 Thread Dan Palka
Actually EVERY 040 chip I have ever seen says XC, not MC. -- From: Quadlist, Sat, Dec 28, 2002 -- XC should read MC, meaning Motorola, not XC, and the LC will be absent on a full function chip. Such a full function chip would read: MC68040RC33B, and this would decode as

Re: CPU Chip Speed

2002-12-28 Thread Dan Palka
Just to expand upon my last email a bit further: I have the following 040s: Quadra 800 PowerBook Duo 280 PowerBook 520 Centris 610 Sonnett QuadDoubler They all say XC. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win

Re: Q610 (was RE: CPU Chip Speed)

2002-12-28 Thread the pickle
At 20:06 -0600 on 28/12/02, otto hansen wrote: if I replaced the LC040 in my 610 with a full 040 should I find a heatsink for it? it will be running all of the time and I would prefer not to damage Yes. You *need* the heatsink for the full 040 if you want it to keep working longer than a few

Re: Q610 (was RE: CPU Chip Speed)

2002-12-28 Thread Scott Holder
At 10:49 PM 12/28/2002 -0500, you wrote: Yes. You *need* the heatsink for the full 040 if you want it to keep working longer than a few hours. Well, I dunno about this. I have a 33mhz '040 with no heatsink in my Q605 running at 33mhz that had a 40 day uptime until my landlady decided to go

Re: Q610 (was RE: CPU Chip Speed)

2002-12-28 Thread J Sand
if I replaced the LC040 in my 610 with a full 040 should I find a heat sink for it? it will be running all of the time and I would prefer not to damage the chip, also, what heat sinks would I attempt to modify or attach to this chip? Any heat sink will work provided that it covers the chip

Re: CPU Chip Speed

2002-12-28 Thread J Sand
Also by swapping this chip into my 610 from a 577, did I increase the CPU speed from 20 to 33 or is there something on the MB I need to change also to take advantage of the faster chip? In order to make a part run faster, you have to modify the board. Simply plugging in a CPU that can run at