Re: [ntp:questions] minpoll 3

2008-03-17 Thread David L. Mills
Serge, The ntp-dev version says 5p113, but I can't confirm this is the same as the current snapshot. In any case, you need to set the minimum average headway/system minimum poll interval to 3 in both the server and client; otherwise, the server will declare a rate violation and toss you a KoD.

Re: [ntp:questions] SNTP server + ntpd 4.2.4 client

2008-03-17 Thread Harlan Stenn
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Woolley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: David> NTP clients must use NTP servers, not SNTP ones. I do not believe this is true. The problem is one might want to *know* that the SNTP server is actually talking to a refclock, or more generally, that the SNTP "i

Re: [ntp:questions] SNTP server + ntpd 4.2.4 client

2008-03-17 Thread Dennis Hilberg, Jr.
Unruh wrote: >> FreeBSD has built-in PPS support (no patch needed), but it's not enabled by >> default. PPS support has to be enabled in the kernel config and the kernel >> recompiled. > > And exactly what is that supposed to buy you? > You need something which can be interrupted by the pps sig

Re: [ntp:questions] SNTP server + ntpd 4.2.4 client

2008-03-17 Thread Unruh
"Richard B. Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> It you attach a gps PPS receiver to one of your boxes (the server) and you >> use a reasonable client then yes you can expect much better than 100us >> accuracy on your net-- assuming it is not overloaded and the machines are >> not overloade

Re: [ntp:questions] SNTP server + ntpd 4.2.4 client

2008-03-17 Thread Unruh
"Dennis Hilberg, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Unruh wrote: >>> My system is running a Linux kernel patched with real-time support. >>> I don't feel confident applying the PPS support patch on top of it. >> >> No need. Just attach the gps as a refclock. The kernel does not need pps >> support

Re: [ntp:questions] SNTP server + ntpd 4.2.4 client

2008-03-17 Thread Dennis Hilberg, Jr.
Unruh wrote: >> My system is running a Linux kernel patched with real-time support. >> I don't feel confident applying the PPS support patch on top of it. > > No need. Just attach the gps as a refclock. The kernel does not need pps > support to use the refclock. The Linux kernel does not have bui

Re: [ntp:questions] SNTP server + ntpd 4.2.4 client

2008-03-17 Thread Noob
Unruh wrote: > AFAIK, SNTP is a CLIENT protocol, not a server. That is why it > is called Simple. Is section 6 in RFC 4330 a figment of my imagination then? http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4330#section-6 ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.or

Re: [ntp:questions] SNTP server + ntpd 4.2.4 client

2008-03-17 Thread Unruh
Noob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Hello Bill, >(Your news client often adds an extraneous =20 suffix to quotes.) Nope, that is your new client. Mine is a primative ascii based client which just reports what it sees. No special encoding is needed for a blank. >Bill Unruh wrote: >> David Woolle

Re: [ntp:questions] SNTP server + ntpd 4.2.4 client

2008-03-17 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Unruh wrote: > Noob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>David Woolley wrote: > > >>>Noob wrote: >>> >>> I've been running ntpd 4.2.4 to synchronize my system clock using remote stratum 2 servers as a reference. (The RTT to these servers is in the 30-50 ms range.) The accuracy is in

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows Time with NTPv4

2008-03-17 Thread Evandro Menezes
On Mar 17, 5:17 am, David Woolley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My impression was that the Windows workaround didn't allow one to create > peers without authentication, but rather treated such an attempt as > actually creating a simple client relationship. Yes, this seems to be what I've observed

Re: [ntp:questions] SNTP server + ntpd 4.2.4 client

2008-03-17 Thread Unruh
Noob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >David Woolley wrote: >> Noob wrote: >> >>> I've been running ntpd 4.2.4 to synchronize my system clock using >>> remote stratum 2 servers as a reference. (The RTT to these servers is >>> in the 30-50 ms range.) The accuracy is in the 1-2 ms range, based on >>

[ntp:questions] minpoll 3 (was: ntpdate.c unsafe buffer write)

2008-03-17 Thread Serge Bets
Hello David, On Monday, February 11, 2008 at 19:03:36 +, David L. Mills wrote: > While not admitted in public, the latest snapshot can set the poll > interval to 3 (8 s), so the risetime is 250 s. This works just fine on > a LAN, but I would never do this on an outside circuit. Setting ntp-

Re: [ntp:questions] SNTP server + ntpd 4.2.4 client

2008-03-17 Thread David Woolley
Noob wrote: > Hello Bill, > > (Your news client often adds an extraneous =20 suffix to quotes.) That happens when you reply to a MIME Quoted-Printable posting that has trailing spaces, using a user agent that doesn't understand MIME. Mine will have trailing spaced so that suitable clients will

Re: [ntp:questions] SNTP server + ntpd 4.2.4 client

2008-03-17 Thread David Woolley
Noob wrote: >> Offset doesn't tell you the accuracy, it only gives you an idea of the >> variability of the error. Theoretically, the error could be as much >> as 15 to 25ms, plus the error from the stratum one to the stratum 2. > > What metric should I consider to determine accuracy? You can

Re: [ntp:questions] SNTP server + ntpd 4.2.4 client

2008-03-17 Thread Noob
Hello Bill, (Your news client often adds an extraneous =20 suffix to quotes.) Bill Unruh wrote: > David Woolley wrote: > >> Noob wrote: >> >>> I've been running ntpd 4.2.4 to synchronize my system clock using remote >>> stratum 2 servers as a reference. (The RTT to these servers is in the >>>

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows Time with NTPv4

2008-03-17 Thread Martin Burnicki
David Woolley wrote: > Martin Burnicki wrote: > >> Of course this would be possible, but the expected behaviour (for me, at >> least) would be not to let bad guys doing bad things by default, i.e. not >> let them change my time until explicitely given the permission to do so. >> > > My impressio

Re: [ntp:questions] SNTP server + ntpd 4.2.4 client

2008-03-17 Thread Noob
David Woolley wrote: > Noob wrote: > >> I've been running ntpd 4.2.4 to synchronize my system clock using >> remote stratum 2 servers as a reference. (The RTT to these servers is >> in the 30-50 ms range.) The accuracy is in the 1-2 ms range, based on >> the reported offset. > > Offset doesn'

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows Time with NTPv4

2008-03-17 Thread David Woolley
Martin Burnicki wrote: > Of course this would be possible, but the expected behaviour (for me, at > least) would be not to let bad guys doing bad things by default, i.e. not > let them change my time until explicitely given the permission to do so. > My impression was that the Windows workaround

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows Time with NTPv4

2008-03-17 Thread Martin Burnicki
Danny Mayer wrote: > Martin Burnicki wrote: >> Evandro, >> >> Evandro Menezes wrote: >>> But doesn't symmetric association require authorization or is it only >>> true when there's a keys file? >> >> AFAIK peer associations do require authentication configured correctly. >> > > No, that's not