Re: [ntp:questions] Windows Time with NTPv4

2008-04-04 Thread David Woolley
Martin Burnicki wrote: Setting up peers requires that the admins of the involved machines are willing to do so, since peers can ask the other peers to change their time. NTP is a time pulling protocol. Peers make use of the time on the other peer as one term in the estimation of their time

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd oddness

2008-04-04 Thread Serge Bets
Hello John, On Tuesday, April 1, 2008 at 20:18:19 +, John Oliver wrote: timezone --utc GMT/London I don't know this tool, but the correct timezone name could rather be Europe/London, no? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ date Tue Apr 1 21:05:09 GMT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ /sbin/hwclock Tue

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux 11-minute mode (RTC update)

2008-04-04 Thread Serge Bets
Hello, On Thursday, April 3, 2008 at 16:25:17 +0200, Noob wrote: STA_UNSYNC (0x0040, clock unsynchronized) is 0. [...] Thus the kernel should write the system time to the RTC every 11 minutes; but it does not. Fine! Don't touch anything, happy man, or it might well tomber en marche. Real

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux 11-minute mode (RTC update)

2008-04-04 Thread David Woolley
Noob wrote: Is the crystal of the RTC supposed to be more stable than the crystal of the CPU? Neither is supposed to be particularly stable, although the RTC crystal may be a watch crystal, so may keep reasonably good time if maintained at wrist temperature.

Re: [ntp:questions] Time reset

2008-04-04 Thread Andy Helten
David Woolley wrote: Andy Helten wrote: offset never went 128ms). With time steps enabled the drift value settles 90ppm (and again, no step actually occurs). 90ms is a relatively bad static frequency error; a good machine will be around 10ms. That won't help a clean cold

Re: [ntp:questions] Time reset

2008-04-04 Thread Unruh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Helten) writes: David Woolley wrote: Andy Helten wrote: offset never went 128ms). With time steps enabled the drift value settles 90ppm (and again, no step actually occurs). 90ms is a relatively bad static frequency error; a good machine will be

Re: [ntp:questions] Time reset

2008-04-04 Thread Hal Murray
My current problem is that drift settles at 82ppm (what I called 90 in previous email) in one run and then 32ppm in another run (with a reboot between). This is similar to the problem I had with stepping disabled where drift would go from +500ppm in one run and then swing all the way to -500ppm

Re: [ntp:questions] Time reset

2008-04-04 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Unruh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Helten) writes: David Woolley wrote: Andy Helten wrote: offset never went 128ms). With time steps enabled the drift value settles 90ppm (and again, no step actually occurs). 90ms is a relatively bad static frequency error; a good machine

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux 11-minute mode (RTC update)

2008-04-04 Thread Hal Murray
Fine! Don't touch anything, happy man, or it might well tomber en marche. Real men don't want the eleven-minutes mode. It is not only extremely inaccurate by itself, but it also steps on the toes of those tools that are able to manage the RTC properly. Would somebody please collect this info on

Re: [ntp:questions] Time reset

2008-04-04 Thread jkvbe
On 3 apr, 23:10, Richard B. Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... DOES the time step backward? If ntpd is working properly it should NOT need to step the time at all with the possible exception of a single step when ntpd is first started. If ntpd is stepping time regularly, you have some

Re: [ntp:questions] Time reset

2008-04-04 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
jkvbe wrote: On 3 apr, 23:10, Richard B. Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... DOES the time step backward? If ntpd is working properly it should NOT need to step the time at all with the possible exception of a single step when ntpd is first started. If ntpd is stepping time regularly, you

Re: [ntp:questions] Time reset

2008-04-04 Thread David Woolley
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: that people do some very strange things with computer clocks. I'm thinking, in particlar, of at least one individual who deliberately set his clock to an incorrect time in order to see if Ntpd would correct it. Many people do this. It is the naive users' way of

Re: [ntp:questions] Time reset

2008-04-04 Thread Andy Helten
Hal wrote: My current problem is that drift settles at 82ppm (what I called 90 in previous email) in one run and then 32ppm in another run (with a reboot between). This is similar to the problem I had with stepping disabled where drift would go from +500ppm in one run and then swing all the

Re: [ntp:questions] Time reset

2008-04-04 Thread Hal Murray
As I've stated before, I don't believe the oscillator is really this unstable, but I could be wrong. After all, my CPU measurements varied much more than yours, especially from one run to the next. However, I'm still open to the possibility that linux's approach to speed measurement is less

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