Re: [ntp:questions] Dual Mixer Time Difference (DMTD) instruments sought

2008-05-14 Thread jlevine
> I may need a Dual Mixer Time Difference (DMTD) instrument, to measure > picosecond changes in electrical length in a coax plus amplifier time > reference signal distribution system with total delays in the hundreds > of nanoseconds, currently operating at 10 MHz (sinewave), but with 100 > MHz lik

Re: [ntp:questions] Dual Mixer Time Difference (DMTD) instruments sought

2008-05-14 Thread Joseph Gwinn
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Uwe Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joseph Gwinn wrote: > > > OK. It sounds like what the 5120 does. I be that there are a lot of > > details to get *exactly* right, though. > Right. > > But with having a ten year old Cray in every laptop ... Computational

Re: [ntp:questions] Dual Mixer Time Difference (DMTD) instruments sought

2008-05-14 Thread Joseph Gwinn
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, jlevine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I may need a Dual Mixer Time Difference (DMTD) instrument, to measure > > picosecond changes in electrical length in a coax plus amplifier time > > reference signal distribution system with total delays in the hundreds > > of

Re: [ntp:questions] frequency adjusting only

2008-05-14 Thread Evandro Menezes
On May 4, 2:37 pm, "David L. Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On symmetry, etc. There are both gravitational and velocity corrections > relative to both Earth and solar system barycentric time amounting to > some 15 ms, but current space missions don't worry much about that. The > mission time

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP slow to start correction after a drift

2008-05-14 Thread Unruh
Mike K Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >On 12 May, 15:16, "Richard B. Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Mike K Smith wrote: >> > Looks like I should be reducing maxpoll. I guess the design of NTP is >> > optimised for clocks with predictable drift rates, and a sudden >> > variation in drif

Re: [ntp:questions] Comparison between ntpd and TSCclock

2008-05-14 Thread Unruh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Developers at the University of Melbourne have produced a time-sync >client called "TSCclock" which exchanges standard NTP packets with a >NTP server. They assert that TSCclock, which runs on FreeBSD and at >least two flavors of Linux (Ubuntu and Fedora), provides subst

Re: [ntp:questions] Comparison between ntpd and TSCclock

2008-05-14 Thread Unruh
"Brian Garrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Are they planning an implementation for Windoze anytime soon? HOw would you get good results when you have no means of controlling the clock except stepping? >Brian ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Developers at th

Re: [ntp:questions] Comparison between ntpd and TSCclock

2008-05-14 Thread Unruh
"David L. Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Gene, >I've seen and reviewed the paper; however, reviews are private to the Their paper is public. It is posted on the web. >authors. Someone else should take a close look at what they are actually >measuring and assess the dynmaics of the disci

Re: [ntp:questions] Comparison between ntpd and TSCclock

2008-05-14 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh wrote: > "Brian Garrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Are they planning an implementation for Windoze anytime soon? > > HOw would you get good results when you have no means of controlling > the clock except stepping? Are you sure? Windows provides a rate adjustment, as well as stepping

Re: [ntp:questions] frequency adjusting only

2008-05-14 Thread David L. Mills
Evandro, We didn't account for gravity and time dilation, as the errors in the extrapolated ephemeris data dominated the error budget. I am told accurate spacecraft navigation needs time to the nanosecond. In principle, the Proximity-I protocol and NTP onwire protocol can do that, I don't thin

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP slow to start correction after a drift

2008-05-14 Thread David L. Mills
Bill, You seem to have a tack up your tail about the clock filter algorithm. First, you didn't respond to my message about sampling at twice the Nyquist rate, even if a burst of seven samples is lost. Second, look at the clock filter algorithm code and comments. Samples older than the Allan in

Re: [ntp:questions] Comparison between ntpd and TSCclock

2008-05-14 Thread David L. Mills
Bill, Who, me? Paper reviewers are supposed to anonymous. Let's just say I agree with your assessment. I've seen a number of papers like this; some I have reviewed. They are written by folks with computer science backgrounds and are not well trained in physics and engineering principles and ev

Re: [ntp:questions] Comparison between ntpd and TSCclock

2008-05-14 Thread Unruh
"David L. Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Bill, >Who, me? Paper reviewers are supposed to anonymous. Let's just say I >agree with your assessment. Ah. OK. the anonymity is a consideration. Of course you could have come up with your objections to the paper entirely independently of that anon