Re: [ntp:questions] Help appreciated

2009-05-13 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
David Woolley wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > >> >> Precision is the smallest possible difference between two successive >> readings of the clock. It has nothing to do with accuracy. Precision > > The only reason it is reported is that it does affect accuracy. It is > one of the compon

Re: [ntp:questions] Help appreciated

2009-05-13 Thread David Woolley
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > > Precision is the smallest possible difference between two successive > readings of the clock. It has nothing to do with accuracy. Precision The only reason it is reported is that it does affect accuracy. It is one of the components that go to make root dispers

Re: [ntp:questions] Help appreciated

2009-05-13 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Towli wrote: > > "David Woolley" skrev i > meddelelsen news:4a0b04b5$0$516$5a6ae...@news.aaisp.net.uk... >> Towli wrote: >>> >>> "David Woolley" skrev i >>> meddelelsen news:4a0ab078$0$513$5a6ae...@news.aaisp.net.uk... >> >> #sh ntp ass de What command are you running? >>> >

Re: [ntp:questions] Setting the COM port for the NMEA driver

2009-05-13 Thread Augustine
On May 9, 2:17 am, "David J Taylor" wrote: > > Background: I have a GPS 18 and USB > serial converter, and I wanted to see how well that actually performs. Very interesting experiment. May I suggest using USB directly? TIA ___ questions mailing list

[ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.4p7-RC7 Released

2009-05-13 Thread NTP Public Services Project
Redwood City, CA - 2009/05/12 - The NTP Public Services Project (http://support.ntp.org/) is pleased to announce that NTP 4.2.4p7-RC7, a Release Candidate of the NTP Reference Implementation from the NTP Project, is now available at http://www.ntp.org/downloads.html and http://support.ntp.org/down

Re: [ntp:questions] How to control accuracy of GetSystemTimeAsFileTime?

2009-05-13 Thread David Woolley
johum...@yahoo.com wrote: > The theoretical precision of GetSystemTimeAsFileTime() or equivalent > procs is 100 nanoseconds. However my tests show the accuracy is The is what I meant by the architectural limit in another current thread. > minimum 1 millisecond and all updates are done in multipl

Re: [ntp:questions] How to control accuracy of GetSystemTimeAsFileTime?

2009-05-13 Thread Dave Hart
On May 13, 8:12 pm, johum...@yahoo.com wrote: > The theoretical precision of  GetSystemTimeAsFileTime() or equivalent > procs is 100 nanoseconds. However my tests show the accuracy is > minimum 1 millisecond and all updates are done in multiples of 1 > millisecond. I ran the tests on a new consumer

Re: [ntp:questions] Help appreciated

2009-05-13 Thread Hans Jørgen Jakobsen
On Wed, 13 May 2009 20:04:14 +0200, Towli wrote: > > > Im using Cisco 3750 switches synching with a DFC77 appliance box and > external (InetProviders) Stratum 1 servers. > > If i erase the ntp clock-period from my switches when they are in synch with > my appliance box - would the precision impro

[ntp:questions] How to control accuracy of GetSystemTimeAsFileTime?

2009-05-13 Thread johumohu
The theoretical precision of GetSystemTimeAsFileTime() or equivalent procs is 100 nanoseconds. However my tests show the accuracy is minimum 1 millisecond and all updates are done in multiples of 1 millisecond. I ran the tests on a new consumer-type PC desktop (quad processor) and a new consumer-

Re: [ntp:questions] best gps receiver for time synchronization

2009-05-13 Thread Unruh
"David J Taylor" writes: >Unruh wrote: >[] >> Since the same machine can run Linux or BSD whose resolution is usec >> or >> nsec, yes, the hardware can do better. The question is how good is the >> software in the kernel. If I do a timestamp on an event, how accurate >> is >> that timestamp? >>

Re: [ntp:questions] Help appreciated

2009-05-13 Thread Towli
"David Woolley" skrev i meddelelsen news:4a0b1dab$0$518$5a6ae...@news.aaisp.net.uk... > Towli wrote: > >> >> I am really trying to understand this, and i feel a little >> stupid, -perhaps i dont get it because english is not my native language: >> Why is my 3750 switch reporting a precison of 2

Re: [ntp:questions] Iff replaced by TC

2009-05-13 Thread David Mills
Alain, I don't know what you mean by spoofer, unless you assume it does not have the group2 server keys. In any case, upon restart it rolls a new private value and the client will retrieve the new cookie via the protocol. Since this is a signed exchange, the client could not complete the excha

Re: [ntp:questions] Help appreciated

2009-05-13 Thread David Woolley
Towli wrote: > > I am really trying to understand this, and i feel a little stupid, > -perhaps i dont get it because english is not my native language: > Why is my 3750 switch reporting a precison of 2**-6 when using my > appliance DCF77 box, but reporting precison of 2**-18 when talking about

Re: [ntp:questions] Help appreciated

2009-05-13 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-05-13, David Woolley wrote: > Towli wrote: >> >> "David Woolley" skrev i >> meddelelsen news:4a0ab078$0$513$5a6ae...@news.aaisp.net.uk... > >>> > #sh ntp ass de >>> >>> What command are you running? >> >> Show ntp association detail - sry > > What OS are you using; that command is

Re: [ntp:questions] Help appreciated

2009-05-13 Thread Towli
"David Woolley" skrev i meddelelsen news:4a0b04b5$0$516$5a6ae...@news.aaisp.net.uk... > Towli wrote: >> >> "David Woolley" skrev i >> meddelelsen news:4a0ab078$0$513$5a6ae...@news.aaisp.net.uk... > >>> > #sh ntp ass de >>> >>> What command are you running? >> >> Show ntp association detail

Re: [ntp:questions] best gps receiver for time synchronization

2009-05-13 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh wrote: [] > Since the same machine can run Linux or BSD whose resolution is usec > or > nsec, yes, the hardware can do better. The question is how good is the > software in the kernel. If I do a timestamp on an event, how accurate > is > that timestamp? > Is it msec? Is it 15msec? The precis

Re: [ntp:questions] Help appreciated

2009-05-13 Thread David Woolley
Towli wrote: > > "David Woolley" skrev i > meddelelsen news:4a0ab078$0$513$5a6ae...@news.aaisp.net.uk... >> #sh ntp ass de >> >> What command are you running? > > Show ntp association detail - sry What OS are you using; that command is not part of the standard ntpd distribution. _

Re: [ntp:questions] best gps receiver for time synchronization

2009-05-13 Thread Unruh
"David J Taylor" writes: >David Woolley wrote: >> David J Taylor wrote: >> >>> >>> - with operating system calls, the main clock can be read with a >>> precision of 1 millisecond (although the ticks may be only 15 >>> milliseconds). There are higher resolution counters which can also >>> be rea

Re: [ntp:questions] best gps receiver for time synchronization

2009-05-13 Thread David J Taylor
David Woolley wrote: > David J Taylor wrote: > >> >> - with operating system calls, the main clock can be read with a >> precision of 1 millisecond (although the ticks may be only 15 >> milliseconds). There are higher resolution counters which can also >> be read. > > > The architectural resolutio

Re: [ntp:questions] Help appreciated

2009-05-13 Thread Towli
"David Woolley" skrev i meddelelsen news:4a0ab078$0$513$5a6ae...@news.aaisp.net.uk... > Towli wrote: > >> Therefore my core switches choose to trust the to more agreeing servers >> as opposed to my internal server, which is quite alone in its view on the >> time and whose time differs from the

[ntp:questions] Local DCF77 clock is rejected in favour of remote ISP stratum 1s (was: Help appreciated)

2009-05-13 Thread David Woolley
Towli wrote: > > What i dont get ,is that the precison of 2**-6 seems to steem from > 10.200.138.20 which is the DCF77 appliance box (that is - not a switch) > on my internal network. How come it has this low precision ? is it bad > hardware could it be bad network connection/ bandwidth? Prec

Re: [ntp:questions] Help appreciated

2009-05-13 Thread David Woolley
Towli wrote: > Therefore my core switches choose to trust the to more agreeing servers > as opposed to my internal server, which is quite alone in its view on > the time and whose time differs from the 2, due to the closer proximity > /smaller delay. In principle that can happen, however I thi

Re: [ntp:questions] best gps receiver for time synchronization

2009-05-13 Thread David Woolley
David J Taylor wrote: > > - with operating system calls, the main clock can be read with a > precision of 1 millisecond (although the ticks may be only 15 > milliseconds). There are higher resolution counters which can also be > read. The architectural resolution is much higher than this.

Re: [ntp:questions] Help appreciated

2009-05-13 Thread Towli
"Dave Hart" skrev i meddelelsen news:eee8cec8-5004-49b3-b708-16c6dc1c5...@y6g2000prf.googlegroups.com... On May 12, 8:41 pm, "Towli" wrote: > I think i may have the answer to my own question above... > I read somewhere that a man with 2 watches never know what time it is... > > My switches sees

[ntp:questions] Iff replaced by TC

2009-05-13 Thread Bartholome, Alain
Hi, Suppose the following configuration is running, with IFF for each host. Trusted_1 (group 1) | Server 1 | Server2 | Trusted_2 (group 2) | Server3 | Client1 Suppose server3 is replaced by a spoofer, server3_spoofer which has the client group2 key and