Re: [ntp:questions] Stratum 1 servers in pools?!?

2009-06-15 Thread David J Taylor
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: [] > For that matter, you could set up your own stratum one server! All it > takes is a GPS Timing Receiver and a PC running Solaris or Linux and > NTPD. Net investment is $100-$300 for the timing receiver, cable, > connectors and a PC that might otherwise be acting as a

Re: [ntp:questions] Syncing to nearby vs. faraway servers

2009-06-15 Thread David J Taylor
Rich wrote: [] > Recently, in order to spread out my time base somewhat, I tried adding > some outside servers (using the *.pool.ntp.org DNS names) to my NTP > configurations. Since doing this, I've noticed that the nearby > (Stanford) servers are uniformly "off" by several milliseconds, in > comp

Re: [ntp:questions] Syncing to nearby vs. faraway servers

2009-06-15 Thread Rich Wales
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > The "Delay" values for some of the servers you have configured > are large enough to suggest that they are poor choices! Agreed. Please note, though, that I didn't explicitly choose these particular servers -- they came from pools. This does suggest that even servers

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate

2009-06-15 Thread Brad Knowles
on 6/15/09 8:52 PM, Danny Mayer quoted Scott Haneda: I am only looking for the basics of keeping my system clock in sync on OS X 10.5. On OS X 10.5 the clock will drift badly on a machine that is not logged in. If you log in, it is less of a problem, but the date and time par

Re: [ntp:questions] Stratum 1 servers in pools?!?

2009-06-15 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-06-15, Rich wrote: > Since (as I understand) end-user clients should avoid dealing directly > with stratum-1 servers, I assume this probably isn't as it should be. > Is it, in fact, proper for a stratum-1 server to be registered as part > of a pool? Yes, if that's what the operator wants

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate

2009-06-15 Thread Danny Mayer
Scott Haneda wrote: > Hi Danny, thanks for your comments... > Replies below... > > On Jun 14, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Danny Mayer wrote: > >> Scott Haneda wrote: >>> I am only looking for the basics of keeping my system clock in sync on >>> OS X 10.5. On OS X 10.5 the clock will drift badly on a machi

Re: [ntp:questions] Syncing to nearby vs. faraway servers

2009-06-15 Thread Dave Hart
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > The best choices, other things being equal, are the servers with the > lowest round trip delays. As usual, though, all other things are not equal. Notice a number of the nearby servers have higher apparent jitter in the peers billboard

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate

2009-06-15 Thread Danny Mayer
tglassey wrote: > Danny Mayer wrote: >> Scott Haneda wrote: >> >>> On Jun 15, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Todd Glassey CISM CIFI wrote: >>> >>> > You should be running ntpd as a daemon. That will keep the clock in > synch and you never have to touch it. > Which creates an audi

Re: [ntp:questions] Stratum 1 servers in pools?!?

2009-06-15 Thread Dave Hart
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > I wouldn't worry excessively about it!  If there is a stratum one server > in the pool, it's there because the owner wanted it there. > > What you should NOT do, is configure several of your machines to use it! > If you have ONE server q

Re: [ntp:questions] Stratum 1 servers in pools?!?

2009-06-15 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Rich wrote: > Should I consider doing something in my ntp.conf so > as to avoid bothering a server from a pool if it > happens to be in stratum 1? tos floor 2 ? Not likely necessary, if the server owner is the one who included their stratum 1 server in the pool, they would expect those using

Re: [ntp:questions] Syncing to nearby vs. faraway servers

2009-06-15 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Rich wrote: > I'm running ntpd 4.2.4p4 on several Ubuntu 9.04 ("Jaunty") servers. > I'm associated with Stanford University and have been depending > primarily on Stanford's own pool of stratum-2 servers. > > Recently, in order to spread out my time base somewhat, I tried adding > some outside ser

Re: [ntp:questions] Stratum 1 servers in pools?!?

2009-06-15 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Rich wrote: > I'm using ntpd 4.2.4p4 on several Ubuntu 9.04 ("Jaunty") servers. > > Recently, I've been reconfiguring some of my servers to use the "pool" > DNS names (e.g., "server 0.us.pool.ntp.org"). I've noticed that I > sometimes end up associating with a stratum-1 server from a pool. As >

[ntp:questions] Syncing to nearby vs. faraway servers

2009-06-15 Thread Rich
I'm running ntpd 4.2.4p4 on several Ubuntu 9.04 ("Jaunty") servers. I'm associated with Stanford University and have been depending primarily on Stanford's own pool of stratum-2 servers. Recently, in order to spread out my time base somewhat, I tried adding some outside servers (using the *.pool.n

[ntp:questions] Stratum 1 servers in pools?!?

2009-06-15 Thread Rich
I'm using ntpd 4.2.4p4 on several Ubuntu 9.04 ("Jaunty") servers. Recently, I've been reconfiguring some of my servers to use the "pool" DNS names (e.g., "server 0.us.pool.ntp.org"). I've noticed that I sometimes end up associating with a stratum-1 server from a pool. As an experiment, I specifi

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate

2009-06-15 Thread Danny Mayer
Scott Haneda wrote: > On Jun 15, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Todd Glassey CISM CIFI wrote: > >>> You should be running ntpd as a daemon. That will keep the clock in >>> synch and you never have to touch it. >> >> Which creates an audit issue and security profile which always needs >> to be watched. NTPD is

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate

2009-06-15 Thread Scott Haneda
Hi Danny, thanks for your comments... Replies below... On Jun 14, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Danny Mayer wrote: > Scott Haneda wrote: >> I am only looking for the basics of keeping my system clock in sync >> on >> OS X 10.5. On OS X 10.5 the clock will drift badly on a machine >> that is >> not logge

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate

2009-06-15 Thread Scott Haneda
On Jun 15, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Todd Glassey CISM CIFI wrote: >> You should be running ntpd as a daemon. That will keep the clock in >> synch and you never have to touch it. > > Which creates an audit issue and security profile which always needs > to be watched. NTPD is not the answer for everyone

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp-keygen IFF

2009-06-15 Thread David Mills
Grzegorz, You didn't say whether that message came from the client or the server. I assume you are running in client/server mode and that NTP works when not authenticated or even as a sanity check whether it works with symmetric key cryptography. We have been running it here in several machine

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp-keygen IFF

2009-06-15 Thread Grzegorz Daniluk
Hi again, I have one more question. In which situations I can get the protocol_error in cryptostats file ? I read in the documentation that this means 'The protocol state machine has wedged due to unexpected restart.' However, what does it mean ? In which situations could this happen ? I'm tryi