Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd: time reset problem

2009-09-16 Thread Terje Mathisen
Unruh wrote: >> I believe the delays are asymmetric in large part due to vastly >> different data rates from the earth to the ship (high rate) vs from >> the ship (low rate). > > No idea why that would make it assymetric. Light does not travel at a > different velocity simply because it is a crowd

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd: time reset problem

2009-09-16 Thread Terje Mathisen
Unruh wrote: >> IIRC, the round trip time approaches 40 min when they are >> farthest apart? With the worst case velocity difference >> approaching 121K mph (54KmpS)? Thats approaching 65km >> difference in distance between when a message is sent, >> and the response is sent? > > So what? The sig

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd: time reset problem

2009-09-16 Thread David Lord
Steve Kostecke wrote: > On 2009-09-15, David Lord wrote: > >> Meanwhile I'll see if ntpd will step from refclock source as > > It will. It does, sort of :-( On NetBSD-5.0.1 with radioclkd2 + shm and Conrad module tuned to MSF connected via serial-usb converter, from four attempts I've twice hi

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd: time reset problem

2009-09-16 Thread Unruh
>Unruh wrote: >>> IIRC, the round trip time approaches 40 min when they are >>> farthest apart? With the worst case velocity difference >>> approaching 121K mph (54KmpS)? Thats approaching 65km >>> difference in distance between when a message is sent, >>> and the response is sent? >> >> So wha

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd: time reset problem

2009-09-16 Thread Terje Mathisen
Unruh wrote: >> Terje Mathisen wrote: >> IMHO, this is simply wrong. > > Well, your humble opinion in this case does not accord with the way the > world works. Mea Culpa! You are absolutely right: Mars does stand still, so as long as (t3-t2) is short, both times will be more or less identical.

[ntp:questions] Larger Offsets on HP Proliant DL580s

2009-09-16 Thread Russell, David
I have 15 HP Proliant DL 580s and 11 DL 360s all running Linux and NTP4.2.2. They are configured to use the local stratum 1 servers. What I am noticing is that: the 580s have drift values between -31 and -91 while the 360s range between -8 and +7 The 580s have offsets between 0.3 and 6.5 (a

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd: time reset problem

2009-09-16 Thread David Lord
David Lord wrote: > Steve Kostecke wrote: >> On 2009-09-15, David Lord wrote: >> >>> Meanwhile I'll see if ntpd will step from refclock source as >> >> It will. > > It does, sort of :-( > > On NetBSD-5.0.1 with radioclkd2 + shm and Conrad module tuned > to MSF connected via serial-usb converter,

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd: time reset problem

2009-09-16 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-09-16, David Lord wrote: > Tonight I gave it another couple or tries with "ntpd -q" > > reset +0.150s within 300s > then used date to give a bigger initial offset > reset +66.9s within 330s > then started ntpd and was in sync within 260s The NTP Stable release needs to poll a refclock 4

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd: time reset problem

2009-09-16 Thread David Mills
Terje, Funny you should ask. Interplanetary timekeeping is covered in Chapters 17 and 18 in the second edition of das Buch. However, one of the first things to learn in space is that where you are is much more important than what time it is. To compare clocks on the Earth and Mars surfaces you

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd: time reset problem

2009-09-16 Thread Unruh
Steve Kostecke writes: >On 2009-09-16, David Lord wrote: >> Tonight I gave it another couple or tries with "ntpd -q" >> >> reset +0.150s within 300s >> then used date to give a bigger initial offset >> reset +66.9s within 330s >> then started ntpd and was in sync within 260s >The NTP Stable re

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd: time reset problem

2009-09-16 Thread David J Taylor
"David Lord" <> wrote in message news:7hd884f2t62h...@mid.individual.net... [] > That's good enough for me. The usb connection rules out > PPS mode and seems to limit to +/-10ms. > > > cheers > > David Why rule out PPS? I tried a GPS/PPS signal over USB and found a jitter of about 45 microseco