Re: [ntp:questions] What level of timesynch error is typical on Win XP?

2010-10-20 Thread David Woolley
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: Also note that Windows' clock "ticks" every 17 milliseconds. Only when not running ntpd. ntpd forces the use of multimedia timers. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] What level of timesynch error is typical on Win XP?

2010-10-20 Thread David Woolley
Alexander Petrov (Moscow, Russia) wrote: In local network I can synchronize computers in range +-200 µs, and in internet = +- 400 µs if use NTP servers pool. It is no use synchronising to this accuracy if ordinary application programs cannot read the time to the same precision. ___

Re: [ntp:questions] What level of timesynch error is typical on Win XP?

2010-10-20 Thread David Woolley
Alexander Petrov (Moscow, Russia) wrote: do { t2 = localTime ) while ( t1 == t2 ); This step is likely to be unacceptable for anyone who is actually trying to create application time stamps to a high degree of accuracy. Windows ntpd already does RDTSC calibration, although it cannot be aff

Re: [ntp:questions] What level of timesynch error is typical on Win XP?

2010-10-20 Thread Alexander Petrov (Moscow, Russia)
On 21 окт, 00:59, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: > > By default, the timer resolution 15.625 ms (1/64 second), > >  ... increase the timer resolution. > > Current PCs' HPET timer is in the few NanoSeconds range? >  and the ACPI timer is in the few dozen NanoSeco

Re: [ntp:questions] What level of timesynch error is typical on Win XP?

2010-10-20 Thread Alexander Petrov (Moscow, Russia)
On 21 окт, 00:59, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: > > By default, the timer resolution 15.625 ms (1/64 second), > >  ... increase the timer resolution. > > Current PCs' HPET timer is in the few NanoSeconds range? >  and the ACPI timer is in the few dozen NanoSeco

Re: [ntp:questions] What level of timesynch error is typical on Win XP?

2010-10-20 Thread Joseph Gwinn
In article , "David J Taylor" wrote: > > I have a small network of Windows XP (64 bit) running simulations, with > > NTPv4 running on all the boxes and using a GPS-based timeserver on the > > company network. The ping time to the server is 2 milliseconds from my > > desk, but I'm seeing random

Re: [ntp:questions] What level of timesynch error is typical on Win XP?

2010-10-20 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
> By default, the timer resolution 15.625 ms (1/64 second), > ... increase the timer resolution. Current PCs' HPET timer is in the few NanoSeconds range? and the ACPI timer is in the few dozen NanoSeconds range? -- E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists. __

Re: [ntp:questions] What level of timesynch error is typical on Win XP?

2010-10-20 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
> By default, the timer resolution 15.625 ms (1/64 second), > ... increase the timer resolution. Current PCs' HPET timer is in the few NanoSeconds range? and the ACPI timer is in the few dozen NanoSeconds range? -- E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists. __

Re: [ntp:questions] What level of timesynch error is typical on Win XP?

2010-10-20 Thread David Woolley
Joseph Gwinn wrote: I have a small network of Windows XP (64 bit) running simulations, with NTPv4 running on all the boxes and using a GPS-based timeserver on the company network. The ping time to the server is 2 milliseconds from my desk, but I'm seeing random time errors of order plus/minus

Re: [ntp:questions] orphan parent

2010-10-20 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2010-10-20, Miernik, Jerzy (Jerzy) wrote: > Each ntp.conf contains a line 'tos orphan 10'. > Each node had GPS but lost it. Local clocks (LCL) not configured. Orphan Mode replaces the Undisciplined Local Clock driver (aka "LOCAL" or "LCL"). > 'ntpg -np' in 10.103.86.6 shows this: > > remote

Re: [ntp:questions] What level of timesynch error is typical on Win XP?

2010-10-20 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 10/20/2010 12:44 PM, Alexander Petrov (Moscow, Russia) wrote: On 20 окт, 16:54, Joseph Gwinn wrote: I have a small network of Windows XP (64 bit) running simulations, with NTPv4 running on all the boxes and using a GPS-based timeserver on the company network. The ping time to the server is

Re: [ntp:questions] orphan parent

2010-10-20 Thread Miernik, Jerzy (Jerzy)
Steve, thanks. I have a two-node network 10.103.86.6 - 10.49.88.6 Each ntp.conf contains a line 'tos orphan 10'. Each node had GPS but lost it. Local clocks (LCL) not configured. 'ntpg -np' in 10.103.86.6 shows this: remote refidst --

Re: [ntp:questions] orphan parent

2010-10-20 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2010-10-20, Miernik, Jerzy (Jerzy) wrote: > Is there a way to know that ntpds are working in orphan mode? ntpd advertises a ref-id of 127.0.0.1 when it has switched to orphan mode. You'll have to have access to the configuration file to see if an arbitrary ntpd is configured to use orphan mo

Re: [ntp:questions] serialPPS+gpsd+ntpd large offset & jitter

2010-10-20 Thread Rob
Miroslav Lichvar wrote: > However, in my experience the NMEA sources tend to be quite bad. If > you are not planning to run without PPS or would rather use an NTP > source as a backup, remove the 127.127.28.0 line and use gpsd just for > the PPS source. That is very true! I have seen NMEA source

Re: [ntp:questions] What level of timesynch error is typical on Win XP?

2010-10-20 Thread Dave Hart
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:54 UTC, Joseph Gwinn wrote: > I have a small network of Windows XP (64 bit) running simulations, with > NTPv4 running on all the boxes and using a GPS-based timeserver on the > company network. [...] > The question is if this level of error is reasonable, given the setup

Re: [ntp:questions] long linear network, time accuracy, and ntp strata

2010-10-20 Thread John Hasler
uwe writes: > Oh, I forgot, you are in the US ;-) The USA has had motorail since 1983. Bill, however, is in Canada. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI USA ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.

Re: [ntp:questions] What level of timesynch error is typical on Win XP?

2010-10-20 Thread Alexander Petrov (Moscow, Russia)
On 20 окт, 16:54, Joseph Gwinn wrote: > I have a small network of Windows XP (64 bit) running simulations, with > NTPv4 running on all the boxes and using a GPS-based timeserver on the > company network.  The ping time to the server is 2 milliseconds from my > desk, but I'm seeing random time erro

Re: [ntp:questions] long linear network, time accuracy, and ntp strata

2010-10-20 Thread Uwe Klein
unruh wrote: That is I am afraid a terrible routing model. You will never get good timing from it. GPS or no GPS. "I want to drive from New Yourk to San Francisco as quicly as possible, but my car has one wheel locked by a police boot, and the somebody put water into my gas tank. How can I get fr

[ntp:questions] orphan parent

2010-10-20 Thread Miernik, Jerzy (Jerzy)
Dear experts, Is there a way to know that ntpds are working in orphan mode? Is there a way to identify which one is orphan parent? Thanks, Jerzy. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] long linear network, time accuracy, and ntp strata

2010-10-20 Thread unruh
On 2010-10-19, Miernik, Jerzy (Jerzy) wrote: > Unruh and Terje, thank you for replying. > > What if we complicated networking somewhat, such that at times node50 > acquires GPS capability while node1 may looses it? Actually, to make the > problem general, any one node (possibly only one) may ha

Re: [ntp:questions] serialPPS+gpsd+ntpd large offset & jitter

2010-10-20 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 07:00:50AM -0700, M Z wrote: > I have another question. The fudge in ntp.conf for the GPS is suggested to be > set at .420 - how can > I calculate the best value? gpsd gives all kinds of debug information but > what > numbers tell me how delayed the GPS signal is compared

Re: [ntp:questions] serialPPS+gpsd+ntpd large offset & jitter

2010-10-20 Thread M Z
- Original Message Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 7:00:01 AM Subject: questions Digest, Vol 72, Issue 16 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:52:39 +0200 From: Miroslav Lichvar On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 08:24:02AM -0700, M Z wrote: I have both usglobalsat MR350P and garmin 18xLVC connected to ser

Re: [ntp:questions] What level of timesynch error is typical on Win XP?

2010-10-20 Thread David J Taylor
I have a small network of Windows XP (64 bit) running simulations, with NTPv4 running on all the boxes and using a GPS-based timeserver on the company network. The ping time to the server is 2 milliseconds from my desk, but I'm seeing random time errors of order plus/minus 5 to 10 milliseconds, b

[ntp:questions] What level of timesynch error is typical on Win XP?

2010-10-20 Thread Joseph Gwinn
I have a small network of Windows XP (64 bit) running simulations, with NTPv4 running on all the boxes and using a GPS-based timeserver on the company network. The ping time to the server is 2 milliseconds from my desk, but I'm seeing random time errors of order plus/minus 5 to 10 milliseconds

Re: [ntp:questions] Precision time sync on Windows

2010-10-20 Thread Alexander Petrov (Moscow, Russia)
On 20 окт, 15:07, "Alexander Petrov (Moscow, Russia)" wrote: >http://192.168.10.245/forum/download/file.php?id=36 Sorry, local link :) Global is http://forum.fora-capital.ru/forum/download/file.php?id=36 ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.o

Re: [ntp:questions] Precision time sync on Windows

2010-10-20 Thread Alexander Petrov (Moscow, Russia)
New version released ( http://192.168.10.245/forum/download/file.php?id=36 ) + improved logs and virtual clock stability. + english names for icons. Notice, change setting NTPServers to nearest for you location, in file conf/TMService.conf, sample: NTPServers=0.us.pool.ntp.org;1.us.pool.ntp.org _

[ntp:questions] Precision time sync on Windows

2010-10-20 Thread Alexander Petrov (Moscow, Russia)
Hello All! I'm develop experimental tool TMService ( http://forum.fora-capital.ru/forum/download/file.php?id=35 ), for precised time synchronization in local networks. This tool allows you to synchronize time with online sources, and the virtual clock (which is automatically calibrated) based on