Re: [ntp:questions] almost decided which new PPS GPS to buy

2012-03-04 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/4/2012 6:10 PM, Bruce Lilly wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:37:35 +, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: I want to see what the max performance I can get with USB with handshaking is possible. I think I can break the + / - 1 ms barrier. See http://gpsd.berlios.de/faq.html#time

Re: [ntp:questions] almost decided which new PPS GPS to buy

2012-03-04 Thread Dave Hart
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 01:26, David Lord wrote: > You need to use PPS to get lower offsets. I've no idea if > PPS will work via a serial to usb adapter but I'd guess > that it will and you will get an improvement. In general, it won't. The problem is the PPSAPI DCD timestamping needs to be part

Re: [ntp:questions] almost decided which new PPS GPS to buy

2012-03-04 Thread David Lord
Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: .. I may try pulling the signal directly from the PPS directly to DCD as you describe. If it works, the procedure might be a bit simpler. By the way, are the data lines on the serial port of the Sure board running at standard RS-232 levels? The TxD and RxD d

Re: [ntp:questions] almost decided which new PPS GPS to buy

2012-03-04 Thread Bruce Lilly
On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:37:35 +, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: > I > want to see what the max performance I can get with USB with handshaking > is possible. I think I can break the + / - 1 ms barrier. See http://gpsd.berlios.de/faq.html#time ___ que

Re: [ntp:questions] almost decided which new PPS GPS to buy

2012-03-04 Thread David Lord
Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: Hi all, Some of you know from my prior threads that I've been debating what GPS to buy to upgrade from my USB based BU-353. I think I've just about nailed it down, based on a number of conflicting factors. I'm getting + / - 6 ms accuracy now with the BU-353. My goa

Re: [ntp:questions] almost decided which new PPS GPS to buy

2012-03-04 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/4/2012 3:18 PM, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-04, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: Hi all, Some of you know from my prior threads that I've been debating what GPS to buy to upgrade from my USB based BU-353. I think I've just about nailed it down, based on a number of conflicting factors. I'm gett

Re: [ntp:questions] Purpose of a leap second file?

2012-03-04 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 3/4/2012 3:37 PM, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-04, John Hasler wrote: nemo_outis writes: It was specifically chosen, not because of its deep significance as a 'universal physical constant', but specifically to make the 'new' second very close to the old 'earth-rotation' second. But not exact.

Re: [ntp:questions] Purpose of a leap second file?

2012-03-04 Thread David E. Ross
On 3/4/12 8:32 AM, unruh wrote [in part]: > On 2012-03-04, John Hasler wrote [also in part]: >> >> Just as tzdata allows conversions between UTC and your local zone. Thus >> UTC is the Earth planetary zone as CST is my local zone within that >> planetary zone. While it is convenient to have sola

Re: [ntp:questions] Purpose of a leap second file?

2012-03-04 Thread David E. Ross
On 3/4/12 12:32 PM, Dave Hart wrote [in part]: > On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 16:27, unruh wrote: >> Thus one could, as Hasler does, aruge that UTC is simply an aberation, >> like leap years, and like time zones, from the orderly progression of >> the seconds (TAI), and should be handled in exactly the

Re: [ntp:questions] almost decided which new PPS GPS to buy

2012-03-04 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
Thanks for the info. Comments inline. On 3/4/2012 1:51 PM, David J Taylor wrote: Hi all, [] From my reading, it appears that I need to add the following to the Sure Electronics package of parts: 1) DB-9 Male - DB-9 Female serial cable Correct. I got mine from Amazon. Search for "2m 9 Pi

Re: [ntp:questions] Purpose of a leap second file?

2012-03-04 Thread David E. Ross
On 3/4/12 5:46 AM, John Hasler wrote: > I wrote: >> Thus UTC is just a kind of timezone-like localization and leap-seconds >> belong in tzdata. > > David E. Ross writes: >> No, it is not a localization. > > It localizes TAI to this particular planet. > >> A leap-second file allows conversions be

Re: [ntp:questions] Purpose of a leap second file?

2012-03-04 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-04, John Hasler wrote: > I wrote: >> [UTC] localizes TAI to this particular planet. > > unruh writes: >> That makes it sound as if TAI is some God given time. > > There being no god, nothing is god-given. > >> It is not. It was developed and defined in the context of precisely >> this p

Re: [ntp:questions] Purpose of a leap second file?

2012-03-04 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-04, John Hasler wrote: > nemo_outis writes: >> It was specifically chosen, not because of its deep significance as a >> 'universal physical constant', but specifically to make the 'new' >> second very close to the old 'earth-rotation' second. > > But not exact. Can't be: the rotation i

Re: [ntp:questions] Purpose of a leap second file?

2012-03-04 Thread Dave Hart
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 16:27, unruh wrote: > Thus one could, as Hasler does, aruge that UTC is simply an aberation, > like leap years, and like time zones, from the orderly progression of > the seconds (TAI), and should be handled in exactly the same way as leap > days, daylight saving time, or ti

Re: [ntp:questions] almost decided which new PPS GPS to buy

2012-03-04 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-04, David J Taylor wrote: >> Hi all, > [] >> From my reading, it appears that I need to add the following to the Sure >> Electronics package of parts: >> >> 1) DB-9 Male - DB-9 Female serial cable > > Correct. I got mine from Amazon. Search for "2m 9 Pin Serial / RS-232 > Extension

Re: [ntp:questions] almost decided which new PPS GPS to buy

2012-03-04 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-04, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: > Hi all, > > Some of you know from my prior threads that I've been debating what GPS > to buy to upgrade from my USB based BU-353. I think I've just about > nailed it down, based on a number of conflicting factors. > > I'm getting + / - 6 ms accuracy now

Re: [ntp:questions] Purpose of a leap second file?

2012-03-04 Thread John Hasler
nemo_outis writes: > It was specifically chosen, not because of its deep significance as a > 'universal physical constant', but specifically to make the 'new' > second very close to the old 'earth-rotation' second. But not exact. Can't be: the rotation is not stable. I'm not advocating the elimi

Re: [ntp:questions] Purpose of a leap second file?

2012-03-04 Thread nemo_outis
John Hasler wrote in news:878vjgz3qq@thumper.dhh.gt.org: > I wrote: >> [UTC] localizes TAI to this particular planet. > > unruh writes: >> That makes it sound as if TAI is some God given time. > > There being no god, nothing is god-given. > >> It is not. It was developed and defined in th

Re: [ntp:questions] almost decided which new PPS GPS to buy

2012-03-04 Thread David J Taylor
Hi all, [] From my reading, it appears that I need to add the following to the Sure Electronics package of parts: 1) DB-9 Male - DB-9 Female serial cable Correct. I got mine from Amazon. Search for "2m 9 Pin Serial / RS-232 Extension Cable M-F". 2) Motherboard header - DB-9 port adapte

Re: [ntp:questions] Purpose of a leap second file?

2012-03-04 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > [UTC] localizes TAI to this particular planet. unruh writes: > That makes it sound as if TAI is some God given time. There being no god, nothing is god-given. > It is not. It was developed and defined in the context of precisely > this planet. It is based on universal physical consta

Re: [ntp:questions] Purpose of a leap second file?

2012-03-04 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-04, John Hasler wrote: > I wrote: >> Thus UTC is just a kind of timezone-like localization and leap-seconds >> belong in tzdata. > > David E. Ross writes: >> No, it is not a localization. > > It localizes TAI to this particular planet. That makes it sound as if TAI is some God given ti

Re: [ntp:questions] Purpose of a leap second file?

2012-03-04 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-04, David E. Ross wrote: > On 3/3/12 1:13 PM, John Hasler wrote: >> David E. Ross writes: >>> Why require a UTC adjustment from TAI? If the data represent a >>> satellite orbiting the earth and the sub-satellite point on the >>> earth's surface is needed, the TAI is converted to UTC, w

[ntp:questions] almost decided which new PPS GPS to buy

2012-03-04 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
Hi all, Some of you know from my prior threads that I've been debating what GPS to buy to upgrade from my USB based BU-353. I think I've just about nailed it down, based on a number of conflicting factors. I'm getting + / - 6 ms accuracy now with the BU-353. My goals for the new device are

Re: [ntp:questions] Purpose of a leap second file?

2012-03-04 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > Thus UTC is just a kind of timezone-like localization and leap-seconds > belong in tzdata. David E. Ross writes: > No, it is not a localization. It localizes TAI to this particular planet. > A leap-second file allows conversions between UTC and TAI. Just as tzdata allows conversions