Re: [ntp:questions] Peer Review of ntpq -c rv

2012-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f582243.10...@c3energy.com... [] At first I was confused and thought he was ms off. However, if he's within 34 us, that's pretty good. Sounds like his board is working OK, but could possibly be a bit better. If he were

Re: [ntp:questions] got the Sure GPS on order, how do I program it

2012-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:VxP5r.41044$np3.19...@newsfe05.iad... [] I presume (.exe) that this is a windows program. Not too useful for those that use Linux or BSD unfortunately, or have you ported it? The source is provided. David

Re: [ntp:questions] got the Sure GPS on order, how do I program it

2012-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:IQN5r.8981$x%7.7...@newsfe01.iad... [] Trying to figure out the exact format of commands to send to accomplish something is not play. It is an exercise in futility. commands have very very specific syntax, and discovering that syntax and what any

Re: [ntp:questions] got the Sure GPS on order, how do I program it

2012-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote in message news:CABbxVHuTF=J_oCmDFfVM- [] It _is_ fair to blame Sure Electronic. They selected the chip. If they selected one with poor documentation it's them who did that. They could have picked some other chip with better docs. If you want

Re: [ntp:questions] SIRF time output wobble, GPS or NTP fault?

2012-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f57cc17.3020...@c3energy.com... [] I have an adapter based on the Prolific chipset which is supposed to pass the handshaking signals. It's the Trendnet TU-S9. I'm going to try that, but I'll certainly keep the one you

Re: [ntp:questions] got the Sure GPS on order, how do I program it

2012-03-08 Thread Terje Mathisen
unruh wrote: On 2012-03-07, Terje Mathisenterje.mathisen at tmsw.no wrote: unruh wrote: While it is true that the device does work out of the box, one might want to change things, and for that a manual is crucial. Helpful, certainly, but not crucial. You can just the program kindly

Re: [ntp:questions] SIRF time output wobble, GPS or NTP fault?

2012-03-08 Thread Dave Hart
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 08:17, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: Dave, perhaps you could clarify one thing on Windows about the user-mode PPS timestamping.  When you say serial I/O layer, my understanding is that this /would/ include virtual COM port devices such as

Re: [ntp:questions] SIRF time output wobble, GPS or NTP fault?

2012-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart h...@ntp.org wrote in message news:cambsiydtftww+jov8xpsszpfzx9+wwgckvj5c5au5ntjcn0...@mail.gmail.com... On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 08:17, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: Dave, perhaps you could clarify one thing on Windows about the user-mode PPS timestamping.

Re: [ntp:questions] Peer Review of ntpq -c rv

2012-03-08 Thread David Lord
Alby VA wrote: David Does this mean there is something I need to tweek to get my offsets lower? Could the delays from the remote NTP servers be my issue? I don't know if that's the case. I setup my two servers to use the nearest ntp servers that didn't share the same sources. There are

Re: [ntp:questions] Peer Review of ntpq -c rv

2012-03-08 Thread David Lord
Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: On 3/7/2012 11:59 AM, David Lord wrote: Alby VA wrote: On Mar 7, 10:59 am, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: Alby VA wrote: I'm looking to get a little feedback on if the following output of my Sure GPS / FreeBSD setup looks like its running smoothly and keeping

Re: [ntp:questions] Peer Review of ntpq -c rv

2012-03-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/8/2012 6:54 AM, David Lord wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: On 3/7/2012 11:59 AM, David Lord wrote: Alby VA wrote: On Mar 7, 10:59 am, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: Alby VA wrote: I'm looking to get a little feedback on if the following output of my Sure GPS / FreeBSD setup

Re: [ntp:questions] Peer Review of ntpq -c rv

2012-03-08 Thread David Lord
Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: On 3/7/2012 7:10 PM, David Lord wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: I'm a little confused. Are you currently getting offsets in the 10's of milliseconds range or in the 10's of microseconds range. Also, how are you measuring offset from UTC, as opposed to offset from

[ntp:questions] what does meinberg graph of peerstats file mean

2012-03-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
I just recently turned on peerstats collection. Then, I went to the Meinburg server monitor statistics screen and graphed the peerstats file. However, I don't know what the graph means. What does a graph of offset and frequency mean when the source is a peerstats file, particularly if there

Re: [ntp:questions] Failed to test leapsecond's handling

2012-03-08 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 01:10:02PM +0100, Marco Marongiu wrote: But when I graph the time log (see the log target in the makefile), I don't see the leap second kicking in. Based on Mills' The NTP Timescale and Leap Seconds[1], when the leap second kicks in, I'd expect two consecutive date

Re: [ntp:questions] Failed to test leapsecond's handling

2012-03-08 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 02:28:07PM +0100, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: In a clknetsim simulation with ntp-4.2.6p5 I can see the clock is correctly stepped by 1.0 second. Here is the ntpd log (in UTC+2 timezone): http://pastebin.com/ZRi6qv8E In another simulation set to start 15 seconds before

Re: [ntp:questions] Peer Review of ntpq -c rv

2012-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
My system with Sure GPS and PPS : identmeanrmsmax 127.127.22.20.000 0.004 0.030 The 30 usec offsets are during the morning at time the system logs are created and rotated. I'll try to insulate the xtal when I next have to move the pc but I don't know that the blips in

Re: [ntp:questions] SIRF time output wobble, GPS or NTP fault?

2012-03-08 Thread David Lord
Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: Based on the aforementioned web page, it looks like the possible validity fields are as follows: GPRMC sentence - POS_STAT GPGLL sentence - POS_STAT GPGGA sentence - FIX_MODE GPZDA sentence - none, as you observed GPZDG sentence - V or maybe signal strength I

Re: [ntp:questions] got the Sure GPS on order, how do I program it

2012-03-08 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-08, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote in message news:CABbxVHuTF=J_oCmDFfVM- [] It _is_ fair to blame Sure Electronic. They selected the chip. If they selected one with poor documentation it's them who did

Re: [ntp:questions] Peer Review of ntpq -c rv

2012-03-08 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-08, Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote: On 3/7/2012 7:10 PM, David Lord wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: I'm a little confused. Are you currently getting offsets in the 10's of milliseconds range or in the 10's of microseconds range. Also, how are you

Re: [ntp:questions] SIRF time output wobble, GPS or NTP fault?

2012-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f58b4fc.4060...@c3energy.com... [] On the Status tab, that's where it displays all the offsets, similar to the ntpq -p command. I don't know how it gets this data. On the Statistics screen, if you select the directory

Re: [ntp:questions] Popcorn on prefer takes out system clock

2012-03-08 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-08, A C agcarver+...@acarver.net wrote: On 3/7/2012 15:38, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-07, A Cagcarver+...@acarver.net wrote: On 3/6/2012 20:34, Dave Hart wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 01:32,Null@blacklist.anitech-systems.invalid wrote: Dave Hart wrote: A

Re: [ntp:questions] SIRF time output wobble, GPS or NTP fault?

2012-03-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
Hi David, I would look at the file, but I'm running Windows at the moment, and I can't figure out how to extract a .tar.gz file from here. Can you email me the C file? I have about 15 things going on with the PC right now and I don't want to reboot into Linux. I could possibly do that

Re: [ntp:questions] SIRF time output wobble, GPS or NTP fault?

2012-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f58dfb2.3060...@c3energy.com... Hi David, I would look at the file, but I'm running Windows at the moment, and I can't figure out how to extract a .tar.gz file from here. Can you email me the C file? I have about 15

Re: [ntp:questions] what does meinberg graph of peerstats file mean

2012-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f58adc8.2000...@c3energy.com... I just recently turned on peerstats collection. Then, I went to the Meinburg server monitor statistics screen and graphed the peerstats file. However, I don't know what the graph means.

Re: [ntp:questions] what does meinberg graph of peerstats file mean

2012-03-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/8/2012 12:06 PM, David J Taylor wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f58adc8.2000...@c3energy.com... I just recently turned on peerstats collection. Then, I went to the Meinburg server monitor statistics screen and graphed the peerstats file.

Re: [ntp:questions] SIRF time output wobble, GPS or NTP fault?

2012-03-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/8/2012 11:58 AM, David J Taylor wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f58dfb2.3060...@c3energy.com... Hi David, I would look at the file, but I'm running Windows at the moment, and I can't figure out how to extract a .tar.gz file from here. Can

Re: [ntp:questions] what does meinberg graph of peerstats file mean

2012-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f58eec2.2070...@c3energy.com... [] Double click on a peerstats file that's in the same directory. It will produce a graph. I'm just not totally sure what it means. Sincerely, Ron It means nothing. The program deals

Re: [ntp:questions] what does meinberg graph of peerstats file mean

2012-03-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/8/2012 1:42 PM, David J Taylor wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f58eec2.2070...@c3energy.com... [] Double click on a peerstats file that's in the same directory. It will produce a graph. I'm just not totally sure what it means. Sincerely,

Re: [ntp:questions] Peer Review of ntpq -c rv

2012-03-08 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: It occurred to me that BSD (which I know nothing about, but am assuming it's a linux like system) Its the other way around, Linux is Unix-like; Unix in general predates Linux but something like 22 years; BSD predates Linux, by something like 14 years. -- E-Mail

Re: [ntp:questions] what does meinberg graph of peerstats file mean

2012-03-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
could use some batch commands like this to manipulate the file. This command will remove all references to my local clock and put what's left in peerstats.remote. Feed this file to Meinburg to graph the offsets of every remote server, all together, over time. type peerstats.20120308 | find /v

Re: [ntp:questions] what does meinberg graph of peerstats file mean

2012-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
I wouldn't say it means nothing. It appears to be going through every line in the log file and graphing the offset from each server from my system clock as time goes by. That could have some value. It lets me know how far out I am from the internet servers over time. Many lines in the

Re: [ntp:questions] ESR looking for good GPS clocks

2012-03-08 Thread Bruce Lilly
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:18:31 +, unruh wrote: The problem is that parallel ports are far rarer than serial ports these days, and even rarer than usb ports. And you would then have to get the output of that counter into the computer. A bit more than $100 for the whole thing I suspect.

Re: [ntp:questions] SIRF time output wobble, GPS or NTP fault?

2012-03-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/8/2012 9:51 AM, David Lord wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: Based on the aforementioned web page, it looks like the possible validity fields are as follows: GPRMC sentence - POS_STAT GPGLL sentence - POS_STAT GPGGA sentence - FIX_MODE GPZDA sentence - none, as you observed GPZDG

Re: [ntp:questions] ESR looking for good GPS clocks

2012-03-08 Thread Terje Mathisen
Bruce Lilly wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:18:31 +, unruh wrote: The problem is that parallel ports are far rarer than serial ports these days, and even rarer than usb ports. And you would then have to get the output of that counter into the computer. A bit more than $100 for the whole