Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-13 Thread David Woolley
Jeroen Mostert wrote: negatively affect performance of the host (which makes sense, since driving all virtuals with 1000 interrupts/sec can't be easy). Even so, You wouldn't expect 1ms ticks. You might get 20 ticks back to back, and then a gap of 20ms, or even larger numbers. VMs generally

Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-13 Thread Mischanko, Edward T
> -Original Message- > From: questions- > bounces+edward.mischanko=arcelormittal@lists.ntp.org > [mailto:questions- > bounces+edward.mischanko=arcelormittal@lists.ntp.org] On > Behalf Of Jeroen Mostert > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:30 PM > To: questions@lists.ntp.org > Subj

Re: [ntp:questions] A proposal to use NIC launch time support to improve NTP

2012-12-13 Thread Jonatan Walck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/13/2012 03:52 AM, Brian Utterback wrote: > On 12/12/2012 8:57 PM, Rick Jones wrote: >> It would seem that at least one NIC has the ability to allow one >> to "schedule" the time at which a packet will be transmitted. >> This is called "launch tim

Re: [ntp:questions] Implementing NTP in a legacy system

2012-12-13 Thread Terje Mathisen
andreas.a...@de.transport.bombardier.com wrote: Dear all, I'm rather new to NTP so please forgive me, if my question is trivial. I'm maintaining a legacy system with its own proprietary time synchronisation protocols. Now I want to add a new subsystem which requires a NTP daemon to be availabl

Re: [ntp:questions] A proposal to use NIC launch time support to improve NTP

2012-12-13 Thread Brian Utterback
On 12/13/2012 5:00 AM, Jonatan Walck wrote: This is going to be very hard to get it to be useful. Looking at >the specs for the card, the timestamp you give is relative to a >clock that is internal to the controller, and is only accurate to >the nearest second. That is, it is like the PPS in that

Re: [ntp:questions] A proposal to use NIC launch time support to improve NTP

2012-12-13 Thread Jonatan Walck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/13/2012 02:23 PM, Brian Utterback wrote: > On 12/13/2012 5:00 AM, Jonatan Walck wrote: >>> This is going to be very hard to get it to be useful. Looking >>> at the specs for the card, the timestamp you give is relative to a clock that i

Re: [ntp:questions] A proposal to use NIC launch time support to improve NTP

2012-12-13 Thread Brian Utterback
On 12/13/12 09:14, Jonatan Walck wrote: I'm pondering two different use cases and senarios to make this work, and work well; In a generic case: If a client or server (same principle) runs NTP and lets propose run a PPL locking the PHC clock to the local/kernel clock (I admit this creates new cha

Re: [ntp:questions] A proposal to use NIC launch time support to improve NTP

2012-12-13 Thread Jonatan Walck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/13/2012 03:34 PM, Brian Utterback wrote: > On 12/13/12 09:14, Jonatan Walck wrote: >> I'm pondering two different use cases and senarios to make this >> work, and work well; >> >> In a generic case: If a client or server (same principle) runs >>

Re: [ntp:questions] A proposal to use NIC launch time support to improve NTP

2012-12-13 Thread Brian Utterback
On 12/13/2012 9:45 AM, Jonatan Walck wrote: The three packet limit is only for 82580 iirc, I350 and I210 widens the whole rx queue and can save timestamps for each and every incoming packet. I might be wrong, but from the flowchart on the data sheet, it looks like it only buffers three packet

Re: [ntp:questions] A proposal to use NIC launch time support to improve NTP

2012-12-13 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 08:23:47AM -0500, Brian Utterback wrote: > >The internal clock of the network controller is the PHC for IEEE1588, > >it has a 1 ns resolution, and can be steered with a 32 bit fractional > >of 1 ns. see SYSTIML and TIMINCA in the I210 datasheet. > > > >// jwalck > > I know

Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-13 Thread Jeroen Mostert
On 2012-12-13 09:08, David Woolley wrote: Jeroen Mostert wrote: negatively affect performance of the host (which makes sense, since driving all virtuals with 1000 interrupts/sec can't be easy). Even so, You wouldn't expect 1ms ticks. You might get 20 ticks back to back, and then a gap of 20ms

Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-13 Thread Jeroen Mostert
On 2012-12-13 09:53, Mischanko, Edward T wrote: I have always read that NTP should not be run Virtual Machines. NTP should only be running on the "Real" machine with a hardware system clock. If the hardware machine is in synch, then the VM on the hardware machine should also be in synch. That

Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-13 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Jeroen Mostert wrote:> BlackLists wrote: >> ntpq -c "rv&0 precision" >> should give a clue how close you can expect to get on >>a given machine. >> > I assume you mean 'ntpq -c "rv 0 precision"'. > Your command gives me an error. Yes, however it should work with the '&' on newer 4.2.7 flavo

Re: [ntp:questions] A proposal to use NIC launch time support to improve NTP

2012-12-13 Thread Jonatan Walck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/13/2012 03:55 PM, Brian Utterback wrote: > On 12/13/2012 9:45 AM, Jonatan Walck wrote: >> The three packet limit is only for 82580 iirc, I350 and I210 >> widens the whole rx queue and can save timestamps for each and >> every incoming packet. >

Re: [ntp:questions] A proposal to use NIC launch time support to improve NTP

2012-12-13 Thread Jonatan Walck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/13/2012 04:05 PM, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: > The phc2sys program from the linuxptp project can be used to > synchronize the system clock to the PHC or the PHC to the system > clock. It can do that via PPS or filtered clock readings. > I've don

Re: [ntp:questions] A proposal to use NIC launch time support to improve NTP

2012-12-13 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
On 12/13/2012 6:14 AM, Jonatan Walck wrote: ... > you wouldn't have to "move time" over the bus at every > single query. One could fetch a receive timestamp from > the network controller (actually it'll come along with > the packet already, so you don't have to fetch anything) > and use that as

Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-13 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-13, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: > Jeroen Mostert wrote:> BlackLists wrote: >>> ntpq -c "rv&0 precision" >>> should give a clue how close you can expect to get on >>>a given machine. >>> >> I assume you mean 'ntpq -c "rv 0 precision"'. >> Yo

Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-13 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-13, Jeroen Mostert wrote: > On 2012-12-13 09:08, David Woolley wrote: >> Jeroen Mostert wrote: >> >>> negatively affect performance of the host (which makes sense, since driving >>> all virtuals with 1000 interrupts/sec can't be easy). Even so, >> >> You wouldn't expect 1ms ticks. You m

Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-13 Thread Jeroen Mostert
On 2012-12-14 00:25, Jeroen Mostert wrote: I'm an engineer. I don't pay bills, I just foot new ones Ugh. Of course I'm not footing the new ones either. Current system uptime is 19.5 hours; wizard needs sleep, badly. -- J. ___ questions mailing lis

Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-13 Thread Jeroen Mostert
On 2012-12-14 00:06, unruh wrote: On 2012-12-13, Jeroen Mostert wrote: On 2012-12-13 09:08, David Woolley wrote: Jeroen Mostert wrote: negatively affect performance of the host (which makes sense, since driving all virtuals with 1000 interrupts/sec can't be easy). Even so, You wouldn't exp

Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-13 Thread David Woolley
E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: That Precision is supposed to represent the time it takes to read the system clock. It is the smallest non-zero difference between two readings of the clock. If the clock is very high resolution, it may be close to the ti

Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-13 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
David Woolley wrote:> BlackLists wrote: >> That Precision is supposed to represent the time it takes >> to read the system clock. > > It is the smallest non-zero difference between two readings > of the clock. If the clock is very high resolution, > it may be close to the time to read the cl