Re: [ntp:questions] NTP NMEA driver

2013-02-12 Thread David Taylor
On 11/02/2013 23:56, unruh wrote: [] You are always at the mercy of the receiver. And it is not the fix time. ZDA puts out only to the nearest 10 ms. the others to the nearest second or 10ths of a second. Fix times are in the nanosecond realm. They put out times which are the time label of the

Re: [ntp:questions] measuring frequency

2013-02-12 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 2/11/13 6:48 PM, unruh wrote: [Followup-To: header set to comp.protocols.time.ntp.] why do that? hey guys, fix the Newsgroup: header here. On 2/11/13 6:48 PM, unruh wrote: ... Yes. However what you can do is to filter out the all but the strongest harmonic, and count which harmonic

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP NMEA driver

2013-02-12 Thread Rob
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: You are obviously wrong here. The messages that provide position data do not include the current time, they include the time of fix. None, not even ZDA put out current time. They all put out time in the past. It takes a long time for any of the messages to be

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP NMEA driver

2013-02-12 Thread David Taylor
On 12/02/2013 09:54, Rob wrote: [] You are describing implementation details in some particular receiver. Why not read the actual specs of the protocol instead? [] Do you have the URL of the official $GPZDA protocol, please? Is it any more than the receiver's best guess, given that there is

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP NMEA driver

2013-02-12 Thread Rob
David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 12/02/2013 09:54, Rob wrote: [] You are describing implementation details in some particular receiver. Why not read the actual specs of the protocol instead? [] Do you have the URL of the official $GPZDA protocol, please? Is it

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP NMEA driver

2013-02-12 Thread Charles Elliott
None, not even ZDA put out current time. They all put out time in the past. It takes a long time for any of the messages to be composed in the receiver, to be queued, to be sent at 300-9000 bits per second, and to be interpreted. It is easy to change most GPS receivers to send NMEA

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP NMEA driver

2013-02-12 Thread Charles Elliott
Here: http://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/GPS/NMEA%20Reference%20Manual-Rev2.1-Dec0 7.pdf Or here: http://www.ekf.de/c/cgps/cg2/inf/nmea_reference_manual.pdf SiRF Proprietary Binary Protocol Manual: http://www.usglobalsat.com/downloads/SiRF_Binary_Protocol.pdf Or search on (SiRF) NMEA

Re: [ntp:questions] measuring frequency

2013-02-12 Thread Terje Mathisen
robert bristow-johnson wrote: On 2/11/13 6:48 PM, unruh wrote: [Followup-To: header set to comp.protocols.time.ntp.] why do that? hey guys, fix the Newsgroup: header here. On 2/11/13 6:48 PM, unruh wrote: ... Yes. However what you can do is to filter out the all but the strongest

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux/Raspberry Pi: PPS driver loaded, but no PPS devices

2013-02-12 Thread Ralph Aichinger
james machado hvgeekwt...@gmail.com wrote: you should not need to load the ktimer module to get your PPS working. That is the debug module and fakes PPS to the kernel. Verify that the kernel you installed was an uncompressed kernel. Did you compile it yourself or did you get it off the net?

[ntp:questions] Does this look sane, is PPS working?

2013-02-12 Thread Ralph Aichinger
Does this look sane to you for a Raspberry Pi with a Sure Electronics board and PPS enabled? It looks fine to me, I just want to confirm that people more experienced than me see it the same way. remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter

Re: [ntp:questions] Does this look sane, is PPS working?

2013-02-12 Thread james machado
Ralph, On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Ralph Aichinger ra...@pangea.at wrote: Does this look sane to you for a Raspberry Pi with a Sure Electronics board and PPS enabled? It looks fine to me, I just want to confirm that people more experienced than me see it the same way. remote

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP NMEA driver

2013-02-12 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-12, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 11/02/2013 23:56, unruh wrote: [] You are always at the mercy of the receiver. And it is not the fix time. ZDA puts out only to the nearest 10 ms. the others to the nearest second or 10ths of a second. Fix times are

Re: [ntp:questions] Does this look sane, is PPS working?

2013-02-12 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2013-02-12, james machado hvgeekwt...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Ralph Aichinger ra...@pangea.at wrote: Does this look sane to you for a Raspberry Pi with a Sure Electronics board and PPS enabled? It looks fine to me, I just want to confirm that people more

Re: [ntp:questions] Does this look sane, is PPS working?

2013-02-12 Thread Ralph Aichinger
james machado hvgeekwt...@gmail.com wrote: I would expect to see a PPS line if you have PPS up and working correctly, this is what I see on my RPi. I am using the built-in PPS support of the NMEA driver (flag1). associd=0 status=0115 leap_none, sync_pps, 1 event, clock_sync, version=ntpd

Re: [ntp:questions] Does this look sane, is PPS working?

2013-02-12 Thread Ralph Aichinger
Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org wrote: you that your GPS is the PPS peer. Plus the offset and jitter are appropriate for a PPS ref-clock. Thanks that helps a lot. The tally codes are well documented, of course, but I was not quite sure if the offsets against known working NTP servers were

Re: [ntp:questions] Does this look sane, is PPS working?

2013-02-12 Thread james machado
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Ralph Aichinger ra...@pangea.at wrote: snip You use the driver 20 (NMEA) without PPS (flag1 0) I (hopefully) use it with (flag1 1). and i learn something new - thanks :) Thanks! The values from your setup are very helpful, as they are quite close to