Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-16 Thread Martin Burnicki
David Taylor wrote: On 14/08/2013 04:01, Danny Mayer wrote: [] NTP doesn't own the OpenSSL sources so we don't distribute it. People can get their own if they want it. OpenSSL is also not easy to compile from scratch, i.e. you need at least some perl interpreter, and assembler if you want

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-14 Thread David Taylor
On 13/08/2013 23:03, Charles Swiger wrote: Hi-- [] I wonder how many of the Windows users do anything with ntpd which needs crypto? ntpd by itself (ie, ./configure --without-crypto) has a fairly clean security history compared to something like OpenSSL's ASN.1 parser:

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-14 Thread David Taylor
On 13/08/2013 22:41, Harlan Stenn wrote: David Taylor writes: On 13/08/2013 21:23, Danny Mayer wrote: [] All binaries need to be built together with the same versions. You should not be mixing binaries. Danny Thanks, Danny. Perhaps,ideally, but in that case, why are the SSL sources not in

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-14 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Charles Swiger wrote: I wonder how many of the Windows users do anything with ntpd which needs crypto? (Shrug) http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/manyopt.html#mcst I use ntpd with MD5 symmetric keys for manycast on all clients / servers. ... keys /etc/ntp.keys # e.g. contains: 123

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-13 Thread Olo Burrows
On Monday, August 12, 2013 11:36:16 PM UTC-4, Danny Mayer wrote: On 8/12/2013 6:47 AM, Olo Burrows wrote: Has anyone experienced a failure of the Meinberg ntp binaries to run on Windows Server 2008 R2? I don't know what the Meinberg installer does when installing the binaries though I

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-13 Thread Martin Burnicki
Olo, didn't you see my previous reply which I sent about 6 hours before Danny sent his reply? The package has been built with VS2008, so you need to install the VS2008 runtime. See: http://lists.ntp.org/pipermail/questions/2013-August/035912.html Take care if you have also installed some

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-13 Thread David Taylor
On 13/08/2013 13:44, Martin Burnicki wrote: [] Take care if you have also installed some stuff from David Taylor. This is perfectly fine but AFAIK David uses VS2010, so there may be dependencies on the VS2010 runtime from David's binaries, and dependencies on the VS2008 runtime from Meinberg's

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-13 Thread Danny Mayer
On 8/13/2013 1:51 AM, Olo Burrows wrote: By the way, I did download and install the Visual C++ runtime for 2010 and 2012, not knowing which would apply. My tests led me to believe that neither one helped, despite my expectations. But perhaps the reboot for the other updates and packages that I

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-13 Thread Martin Burnicki
David, David Taylor wrote: On 13/08/2013 13:44, Martin Burnicki wrote: [] Take care if you have also installed some stuff from David Taylor. This is perfectly fine but AFAIK David uses VS2010, so there may be dependencies on the VS2010 runtime from David's binaries, and dependencies on the

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-13 Thread David Taylor
On 13/08/2013 17:51, Danny Mayer wrote: [] If you are building your own binaries then the runtime dll's are already installed on your system and you don't need to do anything special. Danny Danny, When I replaced some binaries which required the 1.1 OpenSSL DLLs with ones I had compiled

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-13 Thread Danny Mayer
On 8/13/2013 2:51 PM, David Taylor wrote: On 13/08/2013 17:51, Danny Mayer wrote: [] If you are building your own binaries then the runtime dll's are already installed on your system and you don't need to do anything special. Danny Danny, When I replaced some binaries which required

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-13 Thread David Taylor
On 13/08/2013 21:23, Danny Mayer wrote: [] All binaries need to be built together with the same versions. You should not be mixing binaries. Danny Thanks, Danny. Perhaps,ideally, but in that case, why are the SSL sources not in the distributed NTP source files? When people may have

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-13 Thread Harlan Stenn
David Taylor writes: On 13/08/2013 21:23, Danny Mayer wrote: [] All binaries need to be built together with the same versions. You should not be mixing binaries. Danny Thanks, Danny. Perhaps,ideally, but in that case, why are the SSL sources not in the distributed NTP source files?

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-13 Thread Charles Swiger
Hi-- On Aug 13, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Originally, ITAR concerns. It also increases our workload for limited benefit. If you are building NTP on windows you should have the knowledge to get and install OpenSSL. I wonder how many of the Windows users do anything

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-13 Thread Danny Mayer
On 8/13/2013 5:07 PM, David Taylor wrote: On 13/08/2013 21:23, Danny Mayer wrote: [] All binaries need to be built together with the same versions. You should not be mixing binaries. Danny Thanks, Danny. Perhaps,ideally, but in that case, why are the SSL sources not in the distributed

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-13 Thread David Taylor
On 14/08/2013 04:01, Danny Mayer wrote: [] NTP doesn't own the OpenSSL sources so we don't distribute it. People can get their own if they want it. Yes, I have included the necessary information on my Web site. OpenSSL is not build correctly for proper versioning. It needs to use fixed

[ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-12 Thread Olo Burrows
Has anyone experienced a failure of the Meinberg ntp binaries to run on Windows Server 2008 R2? I have my suspicions that something is odd about this refurbished Dell R610 server with brand new installation of 2008 R2 because another package was balky when its installation routine came to the

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-12 Thread David Taylor
On 12/08/2013 11:47, Olo Burrows wrote: Has anyone experienced a failure of the Meinberg ntp binaries to run on Windows Server 2008 R2? I have my suspicions that something is odd about this refurbished Dell R610 server with brand new installation of 2008 R2 because another package was balky

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-12 Thread Olo Burrows
On Monday, August 12, 2013 7:20:31 AM UTC-4, David Taylor wrote: On 12/08/2013 11:47, Olo Burrows wrote: Has anyone experienced a failure of the Meinberg ntp binaries to run on Windows Server 2008 R2? There is a brief discussion of this issue here:

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-12 Thread David Taylor
On 12/08/2013 15:41, Olo Burrows wrote: [] I tried those binaries hoping it would solve this problem and provide the additional benefits included in them. They all flatly refused to run. I also tried the suggestion to give more rights to the ntp account. I went so far as to include the ntp

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-12 Thread Martin Burnicki
Olo Burrows wrote: [...] Event Viewer was reporting a missing dependency of libeay.dll with VC90 (machine is at the shop and on an isolated network, so message is from memory). VC90 sounds like the Visual Studio compiler's runtime library. Older versions of NTP were built using old Visual C

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-12 Thread Olo Burrows
On Monday, August 12, 2013 12:09:48 PM UTC-4, David Taylor wrote: On 12/08/2013 15:41, Olo Burrows wrote: I tried those binaries hoping it would solve this problem and provide the additional benefits included in them. They all flatly refused to run. I also tried the suggestion to give

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-12 Thread Danny Mayer
On 8/12/2013 6:47 AM, Olo Burrows wrote: Has anyone experienced a failure of the Meinberg ntp binaries to run on Windows Server 2008 R2? I don't know what the Meinberg installer does when installing the binaries though I did provide some advice to them at the time. What you do need need is to

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-12 Thread David Taylor
On 12/08/2013 22:58, Olo Burrows wrote: [] I'm following up in the interest of completeness, although I admit that I have no good answers. I tried the 4.2.7p382 @ 1.2483-o binaries from (I think) your site today and I must have been invoking ntpd from the command line improperly as it