Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment

2013-09-20 Thread Rob
[mailto:questions-bounces+bob.horvath=motorolasolutions@lists.ntp.org] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:20 AM To: questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment Horvath Bob-BHORVAT1 bob.horv

Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment

2013-09-19 Thread unruh
On 2013-09-19, Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it wrote: I converted physical machine to virtual one, where there is NTPd service. My ESX host is running several guest OS included this NTP server. Can it be this one the problem ? Virtualization ? I'd like to know if ntpd adjusts

Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment

2013-09-19 Thread David Woolley
On 19/09/13 06:41, Riccardo Castellani wrote: one the problem ? Virtualization ? I'd like to know if ntpd adjusts only OS time or it adjust hardware clock too. ntpd only adjusts the software clock, however, the guest OS may well try to update the hardware clock. Normal VM hosts will

[ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment

2013-09-19 Thread Riccardo Castellani
David Woolley wrote: The basic problems with running ntpd on VMs are that simulated real time can run at variable rates, compared with true real time, and there can be large scheduling delays, which compromise the accuracy of offset measurement. What means simulated real time can run at

Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment

2013-09-19 Thread Rob
Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it wrote: I converted physical machine to virtual one, where there is NTPd service. My ESX host is running several guest OS included this NTP server. Can it be this one the problem ? Virtualization ? I'd like to know if ntpd adjusts only OS time or

Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment

2013-09-19 Thread Horvath Bob-BHORVAT1
] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it wrote: I converted physical machine to virtual one, where there is NTPd service. My ESX host is running several guest OS included this NTP server. Can it be this one the problem

Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment

2013-09-19 Thread Rob
Horvath Bob-BHORVAT1 bob.horv...@motorolasolutions.com wrote: Please read the knowledge base article on the VMware site for a full explanation of how it works and what you can configure. I think the confusing aspect to many is that the recommendations from VMware are to run NTP on the guests

Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment

2013-09-19 Thread Horvath Bob-BHORVAT1
: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment Horvath Bob-BHORVAT1 bob.horv...@motorolasolutions.com wrote: I think the OP is saying that what they used as their stratum x time source just got virtualized. So what works then? 1) Having the guests pointed to where the newly

Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment

2013-09-19 Thread Rob
:20 AM To: questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment Horvath Bob-BHORVAT1 bob.horv...@motorolasolutions.com wrote: I think the OP is saying that what they used as their stratum x time source just got virtualized. So what works

Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment

2013-09-19 Thread Rob
] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:20 AM To: questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment Horvath Bob-BHORVAT1 bob.horv...@motorolasolutions.com wrote: Why? What we have is a similar situation, we had a physical

Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment

2013-09-19 Thread unruh
, September 19, 2013 11:20 AM To: questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment Horvath Bob-BHORVAT1 bob.horv...@motorolasolutions.com wrote: Why? What we have is a similar situation, we had a physical machine providing ntp service

Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment

2013-09-19 Thread David Woolley
What means simulated real time can run at variable rates ?! This is explained in one of the early VMWare white papers on timing (at the time they were recommending using VMWare Tools to control the guest time and synchronising the host. There seem to have been changes since, but I

Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment

2013-09-19 Thread unruh
=motorolasolutions@lists.ntp.org] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:20 AM To: questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: Re: [ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment Horvath Bob-BHORVAT1 bob.horv...@motorolasolutions.com wrote: Why? What we

[ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment

2013-09-18 Thread Riccardo Castellani
I converted physical machine to virtual one, where there is NTPd service. My ESX host is running several guest OS included this NTP server. Can it be this one the problem ? Virtualization ? I'd like to know if ntpd adjusts only OS time or it adjust hardware clock too. In latter case if it

[ntp:questions] R: Re: debugging strange ntp in virtual environment

2013-09-18 Thread Riccardo Castellani
This NTP server is a virtual machine (by P2V) but few months ago it was working fine. Time control on a virtual machine is in general terrible. You should be having the underlying OS running ntp and having your virtual OS getting the time from that underlying OS. So ntpd service, which gives