Re: [R] Entire Organization Switching from SAS to R - Any experience?

2009-07-27 Thread Kelvin Lam
We've decided not to proceed with the change but the senior management has been alerted with the uprising SAS license cost. Thank you so much for all the comments!!! Frank E Harrell Jr wrote: > > Jeffrey J. Hallman wrote: >> Hmmm, I sense a story in the offing. Was that an accidental emergen

Re: [R] Entire Organization Switching from SAS to R - Any experience?

2009-07-25 Thread dave fournier
It is true that R does not offer support for custom likelihood functions in nonlinear mixed models. However you can switch to R and use AD Model Builder's random effects module http://admb-project.org This is freely available software and it is more flexible than proc nlmixed. I'm sure there are pe

Re: [R] Entire Organization Switching from SAS to R - Any experience?

2009-07-20 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
Jeffrey J. Hallman wrote: Hmmm, I sense a story in the offing. Was that an accidental emergency, or one you created? Frank E Harrell Jr writes: I differ with Marc in one way. It is amazing what people can learn when you create an emergency for them to do so. Frank -- Frank E Harrell Jr Pr

Re: [R] Entire Organization Switching from SAS to R - Any experience?

2009-07-20 Thread Jeffrey J. Hallman
Hmmm, I sense a story in the offing. Was that an accidental emergency, or one you created? Frank E Harrell Jr writes: > I differ with Marc in one way. It is amazing what people can learn when you > create an emergency for them to do so. > > Frank > -- > Frank E Harrell Jr Professor and Chair

Re: [R] Entire Organization Switching from SAS to R - Any experience?

2009-07-17 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
I differ with Marc in one way. It is amazing what people can learn when you create an emergency for them to do so. Frank Marc Schwartz wrote: On Jul 17, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Kelvin Lam wrote: I should elaborate the situation a bit more. We store our data in UNIX and have been using UNIX

Re: [R] Entire Organization Switching from SAS to R - Any experience?

2009-07-17 Thread Ross Boylan
We use SAS and R here (a biostat department and consulting unit), in part because there are some things SAS does that R doesn't. In particular, we use SAS proc nlmixed with custom likelihood functions. R has similar capability but does not allow custom likelihood; the authors say adding it would

Re: [R] Entire Organization Switching from SAS to R - Any experience?

2009-07-17 Thread Marc Schwartz
On Jul 17, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Kelvin Lam wrote: I should elaborate the situation a bit more. We store our data in UNIX and have been using UNIX SAS for our work. My Biostat dept has 40 SAS users from which at most 10 also use R. The Epi/Grad Students/Investigators combine for another 30-

Re: [R] Entire Organization Switching from SAS to R - Any experience?

2009-07-17 Thread Kelvin Lam
I should elaborate the situation a bit more. We store our data in UNIX and have been using UNIX SAS for our work. My Biostat dept has 40 SAS users from which at most 10 also use R. The Epi/Grad Students/Investigators combine for another 30-40 not-so-frequent SAS users let alone R. So we are ta

Re: [R] Entire Organization Switching from SAS to R - Any experience?

2009-07-17 Thread Mike Prager
Kel Lam wrote: > My institute has been heavily dependent on SAS for the past while, and > SAS is starting to charge us a very deep amount for license renewal. > Since we are a non-profit organization that is definitely not > sustainable. The team is brainstorming possibility of switching to R, >

Re: [R] Entire Organization Switching from SAS to R - Any experience?

2009-07-16 Thread David Winsemius
On Jul 16, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Kum-Hoe Hwang wrote: I work for a research institute. I have used R for several years. I think there are some good and bad sides followings: Good sides are: I can use new statistical methods from R. no license fee.. Bad sides are : physical memory in PC is an

Re: [R] Entire Organization Switching from SAS to R - Any experience?

2009-07-16 Thread Kum-Hoe Hwang
I work for a research institute. I have used R for several years. I think there are some good and bad sides followings: Good sides are: I can use new statistical methods from R. no license fee.. Bad sides are : physical memory in PC is an obstacle (max. 3GB), some package of R is still being deve

Re: [R] Entire Organization Switching from SAS to R - Any experience?

2009-07-16 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
Kel Lam wrote: My institute has been heavily dependent on SAS for the past while, and SAS is starting to charge us a very deep amount for license renewal. Since we are a non-profit organization that is definitely not sustainable. The team is brainstorming possibility of switching to R, at least

Re: [R] Entire Organization Switching from SAS to R - Any experience?

2009-07-16 Thread milton ruser
*hum* How much of the "employes" of your institute use statistical softwares? 1-5? 5-20? 20-50? I think a brief description could help on the discussion. cheers milton On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Kel Lam wrote: > My institute has been heavily dependent on SAS for the past while, and > S

[R] Entire Organization Switching from SAS to R - Any experience?

2009-07-16 Thread Kel Lam
My institute has been heavily dependent on SAS for the past while, and SAS is starting to charge us a very deep amount for license renewal. Since we are a non-profit organization that is definitely not sustainable. The team is brainstorming possibility of switching to R, at least gradually. I am