Re: [R-sig-phylo] question about measurement error in phylogenetic signal (Krzysztof Bartoszek)

2013-07-08 Thread Joe Felsenstein
In addition to the references to papers by Hansen and Bartoszek, and by Ives, Midford and Garland, I would biasedly suggest this paper: Felsenstein, J. 2008. Comparative methods with sampling error and within-species variation: contrasts revisited and revised. American Naturalist 171:

Re: [R-sig-phylo] question about measurement error in phylogenetic signal

2013-07-08 Thread Hunt, Gene
...@umb.edumailto:liam.rev...@umb.edu Date: Sunday, July 7, 2013 3:10 PM To: Xavier Prudent prudentxav...@gmail.commailto:prudentxav...@gmail.com Cc: mailman, r-sig-phylo r-sig-phylo@r-project.orgmailto:r-sig-phylo@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R-sig-phylo] question about measurement error in phylogenetic signal

Re: [R-sig-phylo] question about measurement error in phylogenetic signal

2013-07-07 Thread Liam J. Revell
Hi Eliot Xavier. I think that Xavier's suggestion is not a particularly good idea in this case because random error will tend to depress phylogenetic signal. In other words - random data error does not introduce random error in phylogenetic signal, rather it biases phylogenetic signal

Re: [R-sig-phylo] question about measurement error in phylogenetic signal

2013-07-04 Thread Xavier Prudent
Dear Eliot, One way to cope with the uncertainty on the inputs in an analysis is vary these inputs by some amount (like +- 1 standard deviation) and rerun your analysis. The spread of the result tells you then how robust your analysis is. Pay attention that the inputs may be varied in an

[R-sig-phylo] question about measurement error in phylogenetic signal

2013-07-03 Thread Eliot Miller
Hello all, I have been trying to get something to work in a number of different packages and with a number of different approaches today that I couldn't get to run in a believable way. Before I spend another day on this, I was wondering what people think about the idea in general. I have a