Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time, unexpected message when using Brownie.lite

2012-09-25 Thread Agus Camacho
oun...@r-project.org] > on behalf of Brian O'Meara [bome...@utk.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:25 PM > To: Agus Camacho > Cc: r-sig-phylo@r-project.org > Subject: Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time, unexpected > message when using Brownie.lite &g

Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time

2012-09-20 Thread Jonathan Eastman
While auteur will complain if given a polytomous tree, one can randomly resolve the polytomies (using the multi2di function in ape, for instance). The BM likelihoods of the data given any of the randomly resolved trees will be identical. Be warned that if the polytomies are soft, this will si

Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time

2012-09-19 Thread Diogo B. Provete
Dear List, taking advantage of the discussion, I'd like to ask if I could do these test of rate heterogeneity in brownie.lite or auteur with a polytomous tree. Apparantly, auteur only accepts a fully dichotomous tree. Is there any alternative? Thank you in advance, Diogo -- Atenciosamente, *Diog

Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time, unexpected message when using Brownie.lite

2012-09-18 Thread Theodore Garland Jr
edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:25 PM To: Agus Camacho Cc: r-sig-phylo@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time, unexpected message when using Brownie.lite That's a fairly small tree to be doing this with -- an old rule of thumb (I think from Pagel)

Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time, unexpected message when using Brownie.lite

2012-09-18 Thread Brian O'Meara
ng with this topic. > > Cheers, > Agus > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:13:00 -0400 > From: "Brian O'Meara" > To: Jason S > Cc: "R-sig-phylo@r-project.org" > Subject: Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time > Message-ID:

Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time, unexpected message when using Brownie.lite

2012-09-18 Thread Liam J. Revell
gest of the mail list, without leaving the thread? Below, I pasted the complete thread dealing with this topic. Cheers, Agus Message: 9 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:13:00 -0400 From: "Brian O'Meara" To: Jason S Cc: "R-sig-phylo@r-project.org" Subject: Re

Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time, unexpected message when using Brownie.lite

2012-09-18 Thread Agus Camacho
f the mail list, without leaving the thread? Below, I pasted the complete thread dealing with this topic. Cheers, Agus Message: 9 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:13:00 -0400 From: "Brian O'Meara" To: Jason S Cc: "R-sig-phylo@r-project.org" Subject: Re: [R-sig-phylo]

Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time

2012-09-17 Thread Brian O'Meara
> From: Liam J. Revell > To: Matt Pennell > > -project.org> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time > > Hi Jason. Matt is absolutely correct. You can do this with phytools. > Say, fo

Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time

2012-09-17 Thread Jason S
Thanks, guys. That's exactly what I needed.  From: Liam J. Revell To: Matt Pennell -project.org> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time Hi Jason. Matt is absolutely correct. You can do t

Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time

2012-09-17 Thread Liam J. Revell
Hi Jason. Matt is absolutely correct. You can do this with phytools. Say, for instance, you have an ultrametric phylogeny with branches in millions of years (tree) and data vector containing the trait values for species (x) and you want to test the hypothesis that the last 3.4 my has a differen

Re: [R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time

2012-09-17 Thread Matt Pennell
Jason, I think the best way to do this is with the approach of O'Meara et al. 2006 Evolution "Brownie". Liam Revell has implemented this in R in his package phytools. You can modify the steps taken in this tutorial here http://phytools.blogspot.com/2011/07/running-brownielite-for-arbitrarily.html

[R-sig-phylo] variation in rates over time

2012-09-17 Thread Jason S
Hello, I see that there are several interesting alternatives to test for different rates among clades. However, I was wondering if there is a method to test for varying rates over time. I'm aware of Pagel's delta and the EB model, but I was thinking more in terms of testing if there is a diff