Re: [R-sig-phylo] pPCA - global and local components

2012-08-23 Thread Tom Van Dooren
Dear Franck, we faced that same issue in an analysis of snail shell morphologies. We decided to use randomizations of trait vectors over the phylogeny, so that they remained correlated but lost the phylogenetic pattern. We were mainly interested in the pattern of covariation with phylogenetic

Re: [R-sig-phylo] pPCA - global and local components

2012-08-23 Thread Jombart, Thibaut
Hello, this problem is recurrent throughout multivariate analysis, and I know of no universally satisfying solution. In spatially/phylogenetically constrained methods, the idea is that a relevant structure should exhibit both strong variance and autocorrelation. I think the simulation

Re: [R-sig-phylo] pPCA - global and local components

2012-08-22 Thread Theodore Garland Jr
That seems like it would be OK, at least if you think it is OK for nonphylogenetic PCA. An alternative is to simulate data along your phylogeny, analyze it the same way, do it a couple thousand times, then make an empirical null distribution of, say, the eigenvalues when the data have no