Re: [rails-oceania] "Previous" developers - the bigger picture

2012-06-19 Thread Kirill Radzikhovskyy
+1 On 20 June 2012 12:44, Andrew Snow wrote: > > In my RoRo travels, I've been initiator of, the recipient of, and privy > to, disparaging remarks about "the previous bunch of n00bs" who were the > last developers to touch a project. > > This happens on projects big and small, by both profession

Re: [rails-oceania] "Previous" developers - the bigger picture

2012-06-19 Thread Michael Pearson
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andrew Snow wrote: > But because you don't know the circumstances: > * the budget > * the deadlines > * politics > * promises and obligations > * vague scope > * creeping scope, etc > I think it unwise to pass judgment on the "previous guy", whether to the

Re: [rails-oceania] "Previous" developers - the bigger picture

2012-06-19 Thread Rufus Post
This is why we have the term "past me" to refer to that "other developer" who looks and talks exactly like you but cannot possibly be you because the code is so smell. It's respectful to only invoke the term "past me", "past you" is considered impolite. Mother Rufus On Wednesday, 20 June

Re: [rails-oceania] "Previous" developers - the bigger picture

2012-06-19 Thread Korny Sietsma
I've definitely been there - brought in on a "rescue project" at a large Australian business, called in to take over after a bunch of "cowboy coders" had failed to meet a project milestone. The key proof of their being cowboys was that they'd used Star Trek characters as the names for a bunch of t

Re: [rails-oceania] "Previous" developers - the bigger picture

2012-06-19 Thread Andrew Snow
On 20/06/12 12:52, Daniel Draper wrote: Andrew, I totally agree. My comments were not meant to be disparaging to any individual. They were meant as a lighthearted poke - and directed at a group more so than any one individual. Cool -- this wasn't specifically at you, I wanted to address the top

Re: [rails-oceania] "Previous" developers - the bigger picture

2012-06-19 Thread Daniel Draper
Andrew, I totally agree. My comments were not meant to be disparaging to any individual. They were meant as a lighthearted poke - and directed at a group more so than any one individual. I sincerely apologise, once again for an oversight in judgement. On 20 June 2012 12:14, Andrew Snow wrote: >

[rails-oceania] Re: "Previous" developers - the bigger picture

2012-06-19 Thread Marc
Well said. ❤ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rails-oceania/-/BmqWLGZvJKIJ. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com.

[rails-oceania] "Previous" developers - the bigger picture

2012-06-19 Thread Andrew Snow
In my RoRo travels, I've been initiator of, the recipient of, and privy to, disparaging remarks about "the previous bunch of n00bs" who were the last developers to touch a project. This happens on projects big and small, by both professionals of many years experience, all the way down to non

Re: [rails-oceania] Short Term Rails Contract

2012-06-19 Thread Marc
agreed. i think it should have been deleted in the first place though until a better version was produced. On Wednesday, 20 June 2012 12:28:58 UTC+10, Mark Wotton wrote: > > In general, there's a blanket rule not to respond to job ads on-list, > and this is probably a good example of why we hav

Re: [rails-oceania] Short Term Rails Contract

2012-06-19 Thread Marc
Immature. Trolling. And I probably should stop it as well. On Wednesday, 20 June 2012 12:20:36 UTC+10, Daniel Draper wrote: > > Maybe instead of wasting time complaining about how I have "wronged" (a > nameless developer) you should go and write some tests for your code! > > On 20 June 2012 11:4

Re: [rails-oceania] Short Term Rails Contract

2012-06-19 Thread Mark Wotton
In general, there's a blanket rule not to respond to job ads on-list, and this is probably a good example of why we have the rule. Metacommentary -> twitter/irc. cheers Mark On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Daniel Draper wrote: > Maybe instead of wasting time complaining about how I have "wrong

Re: [rails-oceania] Short Term Rails Contract

2012-06-19 Thread Daniel Draper
Maybe instead of wasting time complaining about how I have "wronged" (a nameless developer) you should go and write some tests for your code! On 20 June 2012 11:47, Marc wrote: > > IMHO someone who hasn't written tests has not done their job properly > (albeit even if they were forced by powe

Re: [rails-oceania] Short Term Rails Contract

2012-06-19 Thread Marc
IMHO someone who hasn't written tests has not done their job properly (albeit even if they were forced by powers that be) that comment seems rather close-minded towards the possibilities that may have occurred for the developer not to write tests. Tests are highly important but there are al

Re: [rails-oceania] Short Term Rails Contract

2012-06-19 Thread Daniel Draper
Guys, The client approached Codefire a while back for help on their project. We were taking it over from another developer and I'm not meaning to be disrespectful (or to "publicly humiliate" them) but the project was simply not up to scratch. We have done quite a bit of refactoring and it is bette

Re: [rails-oceania] Short Term Rails Contract

2012-06-19 Thread Daniel Draper
No it wasn't our project initially. On 20 June 2012 09:26, Keith Pitt wrote: > "powers that be?" - you're the CEO. Doesn't that make YOU the power that > be? > > -- > @keithpitt > > On Tuesday, 19 June 2012 at 5:04 PM, Daniel Draper wrote: > > I didn't name anybody and IMHO someone who hasn't wr

Re: [rails-oceania] Short Term Rails Contract

2012-06-19 Thread Keith Pitt
"powers that be?" - you're the CEO. Doesn't that make YOU the power that be? -- @keithpitt On Tuesday, 19 June 2012 at 5:04 PM, Daniel Draper wrote: > I didn't name anybody and IMHO someone who hasn't written tests has not done > their job properly (albeit even if they were forced by powers

[rails-oceania] RailsCamp 12 aka RailsCamp Tassie

2012-06-19 Thread Warren Seen
(Apologies in advance for the cross-post if you're also on the Railscamp group) As some of you are probably aware by now, although the dust has barely settled from RC11, RailsCamp 12 planning is underway and the location is Tasmania. Details: When: Starts Friday, November 16th, runs until Monda

[rails-oceania] Re: Hack Night @ ISF next Tuesday (26 June)

2012-06-19 Thread Dan Bronsema
Sounds awesome, Is there anything similar to this around Melbourne? Dan On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:39:04 PM UTC+10, Tim McEwan wrote: > > Hey Folks, > > I'm taking over from the venerable Mr Price this month to bring you a Hack > Night at the Institute for Sustainable Futures (University of Te

Re: [rails-oceania] Short Term Rails Contract

2012-06-19 Thread Daniel Draper
Wow. OK, was just supposed to be a bit of light fun but I'll take your comments on board and update the listing. I didn't name anybody and IMHO someone who hasn't written tests has not done their job properly (albeit even if they were forced by powers that be). He also wasn't working for us. Apolo