[RBW] We're all in trouble

2013-05-23 Thread James Warren
http://road.cc/content/news/84343-lack-lycra-lout-cyclist-not-wearing-appropriate-clothing-stopped-suspicion-bike James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from thi

[RBW] Start the summer right. Mixed terrain June 2nd

2013-05-23 Thread Manuel Acosta
Start the summer right! June 2nd. Mixed terrain ride. Meeting at Fremont Bart around 9ish. Ending at Walnut Creek Bart. Abandon houses, golf balls and rope swings. You know summer stuff. -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" grou

Re: [RBW] Image Request: Boscoe Bars from Above

2013-05-23 Thread Michael
> > Hi Joe, > Thanks so much. Wow! 1ft. away from saddle nose with the Bosco's. Now that > is a close reach!! Even with that lng stem extension you have on > that bike. Amazing. > I am looking for a close reach, so looks like Bosco do the trick. > Thanks for taking the time to send me th

Re: [RBW] Sackville Shop Sack & Wald basket

2013-05-23 Thread Brian Hanson
I tape the basket where I attach them. It cuts the chatter right down... Brian Seattle, WA On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Mike wrote: > Hey Brian, the red VPs on the Hunqapillar are a nice touch. Both those > bikes are beautiful. > > I used the medium basket and medium ShopSack for a winter

Re: [RBW] Sackville Shop Sack & Wald basket

2013-05-23 Thread Mike
Hey Brian, the red VPs on the Hunqapillar are a nice touch. Both those bikes are beautiful. I used the medium basket and medium ShopSack for a winter on my Quickbeam and they worked well. The thing that bothered me were the brass clips which would rattle against the basket. They seem to have

Re: [RBW] Sackville Shop Sack & Wald basket

2013-05-23 Thread Brian Hanson
I've got and used both. I like the medium combo for utility and stability. The large is mostly unused capacity for me and just adds a bit "too much" wobbly for my tastes. That said, if you will be hauling a lot or using it for camping, it may be your best bet. I've mainly used my combos for the

[RBW] Re: Introduction

2013-05-23 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
Echoing the sentiment expressed by others... wonderful pics and beautiful bike. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+u

[RBW] Re: Introduction

2013-05-23 Thread Takashi
Hello Michael, I live in Iida City, Nagano, and I will soon be moving to Kiso County in Nagano. There will be various affairs accompanying the move, so I won't be able to have many days to join you, unfortunately. Shikoku is far away from here, and I have never toured there. I have heard that i

Re: [RBW] Re: Installing Cork grips for bar ends tip needed please...

2013-05-23 Thread Peter Morgano
I use a wet butter knife to get off rubber grips, just work it around, takes 2 minutes. On May 23, 2013 7:41 PM, "KenP" wrote: > You can practice with rubber grips. To get them off, fill up a small > portable air tank at the service station, get an air hose with a rubber > nozzle, slip it under

[RBW] Sackville Shop Sack & Wald basket

2013-05-23 Thread Roger
I've had both the large and medium Walds on a Mark's rack. The large rack was too wobbly for my taste, but the combo of a medium basket with the Riv sack is insanely great for commuting and errands. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

[RBW] Re: Alba vs. Bosco

2013-05-23 Thread Garth
These comparisons are better :) On Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:12:07 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:

[RBW] Re: Alba vs. Bosco

2013-05-23 Thread Garth
I've mentioned to Riv to "Standardize" their bar photos so that they are all taken from the same perspectiv

[RBW] Re: Norfolk NE. Cowboy trail

2013-05-23 Thread hsmitham
If I lived out there I would or was so wealthy I could just train out :-) Alas neither are in my realm. Best, ~Hugh On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:05:23 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: > > 8 or nine of us are doing an out and back on the Cowboy Trail June 1st. > If you live in the area we would love to

[RBW] Re: Installing Cork grips for bar ends tip needed please...

2013-05-23 Thread KenP
You can practice with rubber grips. To get them off, fill up a small portable air tank at the service station, get an air hose with a rubber nozzle, slip it under the rubber grip and blast it off when you want to change to cork. On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:02:55 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote: > I

Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Hugh Smitham
Minh, Good point and here in LA it's nice and cool compared to the day. I'm gonna do it soon. Best, Hugh Sunland, Ca On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Minh wrote: > it depends on the route you take, but i find riding at nite can be safer, > less people, more open road, bike lights are really g

[RBW] Alba vs. Bosco

2013-05-23 Thread Michael
How far behind the headset do these bars project? Anyone got a good profile shot showing how far behind the headset the gripped part of the bars sit? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

2013-05-23 Thread hsmitham
Rene, Well stated. The minor adjustments are the secret. I think the Red saddle looked good too & also thought red grips would have helped. I for one thought the B-68 saddle was the ticket in the upright position plus women tend to be anatomically different which that saddle addresses. Too bad

Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

2013-05-23 Thread hsmitham
Sounds like the beginning to a rap song...come on MC tinker break it down for us. On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:09:00 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: > > My green one is 9 and fine. > > Philip > www.biketinker.com > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[RBW] A little taste of the Riv magic via a Grant Petersen inspired bicycle

2013-05-23 Thread Chris Lampe 2
I was introduced to Rivendell Bicycle Works and Grant Petersen's writings almost two years ago and was very intrigued. I bought my first adult bicycle, a Trek Multitrack, in 1995 and rode it for twelve years and then gave it to my dad and bought a 2007 Trek 7.2 FX. I was riding the FX when I

[RBW] Re: WTB: 48cm Hunqapillar or 53cm Atlantis

2013-05-23 Thread bo richardson
how nice are the wheels? i have an atlantis in 53 but it is turning out so well i hope keep it and wear it out might be interested in the wheels i have a 56 green rambouillet to sell or trade and a good but not great set of wheels to sell or trade and i also have some cash tried to do this of

[RBW] Re: Introduction

2013-05-23 Thread frenchosa
Takashi, Nice photos and bike. I live in Osaka and I love touring. I have 5 days free next week and I'm thinking of going to Shikoku next week. Where in Japan are you? --Michael On Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:17:38 PM UTC+9, Takashi wrote: > > Hi all, > I have been following this group f

[RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Swza
Take it as a small blessing that now you can lock your beloved Riv up without worrying about keeping it pristine. Rivs need some blemishes to counterbalance their beauty to make them complete. On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:01:48 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote: > > Curious what you Rivsters think? Bel

[RBW] Sackville Shop Sack & Wald basket

2013-05-23 Thread Michael Hechmer
Who has used this combo? The large basket is 18" but the "medium" (there is no small so how there can be a medium mystifies me) is 21" wide. Is the bast measurement smaller? How's it working for you? Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hey Mike sorry to hear you went down. At least you're okay and the bike just needs to be touched up. Best, Hugh Sunland, Ca On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Mike Schiller wrote: > took a pretty good dump today on a steep dirt drop off... besides a few > nasty dirt abrasions I had two 3/4 inch

Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Minh
it depends on the route you take, but i find riding at nite can be safer, less people, more open road, bike lights are really great now. and there is something peaceful with riding at the nite, the quiet, the moonlight. On Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:45:29 AM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote: > > Bryan, >

Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Ron Mc
My bikes are too dated for OEM touchup paint to be available. I've had pretty good luck with Hobby Town for Humbrol and Testor's enamels. If you get the balance of colors right (red, blue green, yellow), mixing a little white makes it lighter and a little black makes it darker. Still, almost

Re: [RBW] Re: What is the Rivish upgrade from Synergy rims?

2013-05-23 Thread Leslie
On Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:12:52 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote: > > This is my experience with 700c rims--maybe it doesn't translate to > 650b--Leslie? > Toshi, my experience is about the same as yours: it depends on both the rim, and which tire you're mounting. My 700c Dyads have, overall, been

Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Hugh Smitham
Rex my AAH has a custom color too but no touch up paint for me :-( Hugh Sunland, Ca On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Rex Kerr wrote: > Riv doesn't do touchup paint? > > My AHH frame came with a small bottle of matching touch-up paint. Then > again, I ordered a custom color so the painter pro

[RBW] Start of Summer Ride June 1st

2013-05-23 Thread Manuel Acosta
Alright folks summer is upon us and the riding is good. Mixed terrain ride that will involve abandon barns, golf ball picking and rope swings. Meet at Fremont Bart around 9ish End at Walnut Creek Bart around the afternoon. -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to th

Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Rex Kerr
Riv doesn't do touchup paint? My AHH frame came with a small bottle of matching touch-up paint. Then again, I ordered a custom color so the painter probably saved it for me. I used it to touch a tiny chip I found on the seatstay during assembly and then managed to crack the cap and dry it out, s

Re: [RBW] Re: What is the Rivish upgrade from Synergy rims?

2013-05-23 Thread William
Tires do fit more snugly on the 650B version of the A23 than on my Velocity Synergies in 650b. That is a very very good thing, in my opinion. The only significant shortcoming of Velocity Synergies in my opinion is that it's very difficult to get tires to run straight on them. The A23 is a tu

Re: [RBW] Re: What is the Rivish upgrade from Synergy rims?

2013-05-23 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
This is my experience with 700c rims--maybe it doesn't translate to 650b--Leslie? Toshi On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:40 AM, JL wrote: > Toshi, > > Is this with 650b or 700c tires? > > On May 23, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Toshi Takeuchi wrote: > >> I like the A23 rims as a lighter "faster" rim, but it is

Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

2013-05-23 Thread Bruce Herbitter
try tilting the nose up a tad and parking your sit bones on the flat landing area in back that is created when you tilt up the nose. On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:16 PM, LeahFoy wrote: > Just in case the photos didn't attach properly... > > On Friday, May 10, 2013 1:43:09 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:

[RBW] Re: Bridgestone T700 - Rivendized!

2013-05-23 Thread Marty
Nice one Mike. I might have to find a set of stem shifters myself. Seems like that would be a convenient place for them on my setup. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails f

[RBW] Re: Bridgestone T700 - Rivendized!

2013-05-23 Thread velomann
Here's photos of the T-700 I built up for my wife. Since this build, the saddle has been replaced with a Brooks women's saddle, and it has stainless Berthoud fenders - couldn't find any recent pics though; I'll try to take some this weekend. She loves it, rides it all the time. It's really a fa

Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

2013-05-23 Thread René Sterental
Now you know... and knowing is priceless! That being said, there are things I firmly believed I had come to know, like which saddle I liked and which one I didn't, or handlebar, or pedals, and all of a sudden, when I try them again, I decide that know I like them better than the previous best one.

[RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

2013-05-23 Thread LeahFoy
I'm going to return it and send Dad the B67 in antique brown. He has a burnt orange Specialized Globe Daily 2 that it will be great for! Wallbike still gets a sale after all... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

[RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

2013-05-23 Thread Ryan
Well, the red does look nice,but if you honestly prefer the originalat least your Dad is getting a nice Father's day present. On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:16:24 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote: > > Just in case the photos didn't attach properly... > > On Friday, May 10, 2013 1:43:09 PM UTC-7, LeahFo

Re: [RBW] Re: What is the Rivish upgrade from Synergy rims?

2013-05-23 Thread JL
Toshi, Is this with 650b or 700c tires? On May 23, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Toshi Takeuchi wrote: > I like the A23 rims as a lighter "faster" rim, but it is harder to > mount tires on them compared to the Synergy rim, for which I don't > need tools to mount a tire. Whereas, with the A23s, I defin

Re: [RBW] Re: What is the Rivish upgrade from Synergy rims?

2013-05-23 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
I like the A23 rims as a lighter "faster" rim, but it is harder to mount tires on them compared to the Synergy rim, for which I don't need tools to mount a tire. Whereas, with the A23s, I definitely need levers. This means longer flat repair times for me, but maybe it will get easier as the tires

Re: [RBW] Re: Strange happenings out there

2013-05-23 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2013-05-23 at 06:19 -0700, Matthew J wrote: > > Is there much riding? > > If not there should be. Mild weather, relatively short travel > distances, high fuel prices. Cycling should be the primary means of > getting anywhere walking is not convenient. Well, except that if there aren't

Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

2013-05-23 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2013-05-23 at 08:33 -0500, Tim Gavin wrote: > I was going to pick up some budget twinhollow 650B wheels like Riv > sells. But, they're 135mm rear spacing, where my frame is 130. Can those hubs be respaced to 130? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gr

Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Hugh Smitham
Always nice to have an artist in the Family. Best, Hugh Sunland, Ca On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Ron Mc wrote: > > > > my daughter loves to paint... > > > On Wednesday, May 22, 2013

Re: [RBW] Re: Strange happenings out there

2013-05-23 Thread Ron Mc
big tires sound useful - I think we need some photos of Riv in the wild there On Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:19:55 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote: > > > Is there much riding? > > If not there should be. Mild weather, relatively short travel distances, > high fuel prices. Cycling should be the primary

[RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Ron Mc
my daughter loves to paint... On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:01:48 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote: > > Curious what you Rivsters think? Below video is curious. It'll be > interesting to see how ma

Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Hugh Smitham
Bryan, You're so right! But my wife is giving me resistance as my commute would be late at night; she's scared for me. On the scratches I'm not too worried, the vid came from Keven after we had a conversation about touch up paint Haha Riv don't do touch up paint. I can at times can be a little "Fe

Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Hugh Smitham
Joe, I feel that way with cars! So I buy pre owned. Hugh Sunland, Ca On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I've found that, if you don't wash your bike regularly, the dirt often > covers them up. > > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Rick wrote: >>> >>> I wince. Both when I

[RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Bryan
Hi, Hugh If you're worrying about scratches, that just means you're not riding enough. It's time to figure out that commute route! Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving em

[RBW] Re: Installing Cork grips for bar ends tip needed please...

2013-05-23 Thread bobish
Right, no grips until the stem and cockpit are finalized works for me. If bare bars bother you, uses h-bar tape laying around can be put on or off in minutes. Wrap it from the brake levers back to the bar ends and finish with electrical tape. This way, pressure from palms pushing forward goes wi

[RBW] Re: Installing Cork grips for bar ends tip needed please...

2013-05-23 Thread grant
If it's just for checking out stem length, just ride bare, don't even fake it with the cork. Then when you got it, glue 'em. On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:02:55 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: > > I just wanna do a temp install without glueing them on til I determine the > right stem length. > > Possi

Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

2013-05-23 Thread bobish
Hi again, Leah, I've been following the thread with great interest and suspense. :) I was one of the responders who preferred the looks of the honey b-68 and also thought you'd prefer it on that bike due to the upright riding position. But I also thought you needed to try it ASAP and see for yo

[RBW] Re: Installing Cork grips for bar ends tip needed please...

2013-05-23 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
The what glue + how to get cork grips off Qs came up recently in another thread. Glue: Permatex "Form A Gasket #1" available at auto parts stores. Related Riv video here . To remove: hold the grip firmly w/ both hands and twist. It takes some effort to break the

Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

2013-05-23 Thread PATRICK MOORE
5 mm -- 2.5 mm a side -- won't permanently change anything as strong as good steel. It's a non-issue. On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Tim Gavin wrote: > I was going to pick up some budget twinhollow 650B wheels like Riv sells. > But, they're 135mm rear spacing, where my frame is 130. > > Yes,

Re: [RBW] Re: Safety light: grids

2013-05-23 Thread PATRICK MOORE
It gives me a headache, even when static. Seems that the visual confusion it causes would be more of a liability than any terrain-revealing help it provides would be an asset. But it would probably be good as a "be seen" light! ("Marge, Marge, something has landed!") On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:37

Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I've found that, if you don't wash your bike regularly, the dirt often covers them up. On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Rick wrote: > I wince. Both when I do it, and when I notice it later. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch"

[RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Rick
> > I wince. Both when I do it, and when I notice it later. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.co

[RBW] Re: Installing Cork grips for bar ends tip needed please...

2013-05-23 Thread Deacon Patrick
White gas or lighter fluid will remove any handlebar tape goo. So you should be fine taping it till you get the details worked out. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:00:28 AM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote: > > I have been pondering this same question, and wondered if it would be O

Re: [RBW] Re: Safety light: grids

2013-05-23 Thread Tim Gavin
it's Tron! the light cycle scene! On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > That hurts my poor brain to look at in a photo. I can only imagine what it > would do to me to see in in motion on the road. > > With abandon, > Patrick > > > On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:17:52 PM UTC-6

Re: [RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

2013-05-23 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Looks rideable. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owner

Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

2013-05-23 Thread Tim Gavin
I was going to pick up some budget twinhollow 650B wheels like Riv sells. But, they're 135mm rear spacing, where my frame is 130. Yes, I know that I can probably just cram the 135mm axles in there. However, I don't wanna permanently bend my frame for a (possibly) temporary experiment. Especiall

Re: [RBW] Re: Strange happenings out there

2013-05-23 Thread Matthew J
> Is there much riding? If not there should be. Mild weather, relatively short travel distances, high fuel prices. Cycling should be the primary means of getting anywhere walking is not convenient. On Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:34:22 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On Wed, 2013-05-22 at 1

[RBW] Re: Installing Cork grips for bar ends tip needed please...

2013-05-23 Thread Michael Hechmer
I have been pondering this same question, and wondered if it would be OK to tape the ends until grips are back in stock? Would the tape residue later make the grip installation difficult? What kind of glue do people use? How can you get the grips off if you need to? Michael On Wednesday, Ma

[RBW] Re: Bridgestone T700 - Rivendized!

2013-05-23 Thread C.J. Filip
Watch out - I ride my '86 T700 nearly as much if not more than my Riv! That setup looks great! On Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:31:47 AM UTC-7, Marty wrote: > > Some of you may have seen on the iBob group that I picked up a nice T700 a > while back. Fantastic bike, but I made it even better this w

Re: [RBW] Re: Strange happenings out there

2013-05-23 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2013-05-22 at 16:12 -0700, Fai Mao wrote: > I live on a small island in the middle of the Pacific. Is there much riding? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

[RBW] Bridgestone T700 - Rivendized!

2013-05-23 Thread Marty
Some of you may have seen on the iBob group that I picked up a nice T700 a while back. Fantastic bike, but I made it even better this week! The latest mods include: Rivendell Bosco Bars, Dia-Compe levers, Brooks B67saddle, MKS touring pedals, outer chainring replaced with a guard. And the most

[RBW] Re: FS 54/5 Atlantis FFH

2013-05-23 Thread Deacon Patrick
Pepe, Prayers for a successful surgery and speedy recovery! May God startle you with joy! With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:33:55 AM UTC-6, Pepe Demarest wrote: > > I found I need shoulder surgery and won't get to a project. So I am > selling a new, never -built 54.5 Atlantis

[RBW] Re: Safety light: grids

2013-05-23 Thread Deacon Patrick
That hurts my poor brain to look at in a photo. I can only imagine what it would do to me to see in in motion on the road. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:17:52 PM UTC-6, Leslie wrote: > > Anyone else see this? > > http://www.yankodesign.com/2013/05/21/lumigrids-while-cycling

[RBW] FS 54/5 Atlantis FFH

2013-05-23 Thread Pepe Demarest
I found I need shoulder surgery and won't get to a project. So I am selling a new, never -built 54.5 Atlantis frame, fork and headset. I believe it is Japan built with kickstand plate and braze-ons for Nitto racks. I bought it when Aaron’s was closing out their Rivendell inventory. It has nev