Re: [RBW] Riv steel tube wall thicknesses? Proprietary or public?

2014-06-20 Thread grant
Nothing's proprietary here. Related to that, about 25 years ago the Eddy Merckx brochure listed specs for everything on the frames except head tube angle, which was proprietary. The same era Gios frames listed frame sizes 48 thru 64, and every head and seat tube angle was 75 degrees. A while

Re: [RBW] Re: My Heron build

2014-06-20 Thread mikel66...@juno.com
Bailey Falls Blue Bailey Falls Blue is dark metallic blue with a hint of green. Some folks will call it a blue-green, but everyone seems to see it a little differently. Bailey Falls was a beautiful local landmark. It featured unique rock formations and a large waterfall. It had been a popular

Re: [RBW] Reynolds 531 hubub?

2014-06-20 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 06/19/2014 10:29 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: It ain't no chromoly. From that inexorable arbiter, Wiki: *Reynolds 531* (pronounced 'five-three-one') is a brand name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_name, registered to Reynolds Cycle Technology

Re: [RBW] Re: Pics of your Riv with a wild animal...

2014-06-20 Thread Ron Mc
nice hat... On Thursday, June 19, 2014 5:34:18 PM UTC-5, Eunice Chang wrote: Does this count? He can be wild, especially when there are other dogs involved... https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/14459869784/ A few days ago, Thumper (AHH) met a rabbit in my driveway. They engaged in

[RBW] WTB: Big saddle bag

2014-06-20 Thread Adam Kimball
Looking for a used, decent (doesn't have to be great) saddle bag like a Carradice camper or Large riv. Let me know if you have something. -A -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] Marin Camping on Entmoot's Eve (Friday Night)

2014-06-20 Thread Roger
Twas the Night Before Entmoot - or - Howdy Friday Night Campers! I’m looking to ride up into Marin from San Francisco in the early afternoon of July 11. The main China Camp reservation starts on Saturday (thanks Jim!), but I’d like to camp on Friday Night with others of us attending the

[RBW] WTT: my 60 cm orange Hillborne for 64 or 62 SH or Hunq

2014-06-20 Thread James Warren
Longshot here. Mine is 60 cm, single TT orange. https://www.flickr.com/photos/46035786@N07/5366124844/ Interested in trading for the 64 cm or 62 cm model. A trade plus cash for a 64 Bombadil or 62 Hunq would be fun, but I'm not crazy enough to think that could happen. I'm trying to help a

[RBW] Is it the tube, or the design?

2014-06-20 Thread Joe Bernard
My initial comments about my Heron Road generated a good bit of discussion about the perceived wonderfulness of a specific tube, which has been interesting and informative, but possibly misses a salient fact about said bicycle: I've owned several Grant-designed bikes, and they all have an

Re: [RBW] Is it the tube, or the design?

2014-06-20 Thread Hugh Flynn
As a Heron Road owner, I can certainly agree with what you've described below. I've never really cared about the tubes or tube specs as I've assumed that the great ride quality is the result of the geometry and careful tube selection. Simply picking up the same tubes and making a different

Re: [RBW] Is it the tube, or the design?

2014-06-20 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Hi Joe, I agree with you about the Riv handling-- the ride of the Hunqapillar is just special compared to other bikes I've ridden. I remembered this blinded tubing comparison from Bruce Gordon's site. Steel vs Steel: Tange Prestige and Columbus SL

Re: [RBW] Is it the tube, or the design?

2014-06-20 Thread Patrick Moore
That captures exactly what I love about the Rivendell road bikes I've owned -- particularly the snap into a different direction with no compromise in stability. I fully agree that minutiae about tubing specs play a very small part in this compared to frame design. Grant has a magic touch there.

[RBW] Re: FYI - V-Brake Arm Lengths

2014-06-20 Thread Ginz
Mark, I love this. How do you prefer to measure the arms? Center of fixing bolt to center of cable anchor bolt? Do you want to catalog older brakes or just those in current production? Eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch

[RBW] Re: Is it the tube, or the design?

2014-06-20 Thread dougP
Surely the design is the lion's share of a bike's handling, ride, response, etc. The raw material would have to be top quality to produce the designer's intent, but likely there are several vendors products that are functionally interchangeable. Designers like Grant have accumulated years

Re: [RBW] Reynolds 531 hubub?

2014-06-20 Thread Bill Lindsay
My goodness, Steve, even when I agree with you, you have to disagree with me. Steve Palinscar said (and I quote): I'm pretty sure 531SL/Professional had thinner walls than 531C I, Bill Lindsay, merely agreed that 531C is/was stouter than 531SL/Professional. That's it and that's all. I

Re: [RBW] Riv steel tube wall thicknesses? Proprietary or public?

2014-06-20 Thread jimD
I've been bemused by the tube thread. Years ago I had a religious devotion to Reynolds 531 cause that was da bomb. I think tube fascination can be amplified. My vote is to give the butts and wall thickness in microns. so a 0.8 mm wall becomes 800 microns. Maybe even add some tolerance so

Re: [RBW] Marin Camping on Entmoot's Eve (Friday Night)

2014-06-20 Thread Lee Chae
Hey Roger, both China Camp and Samuel P Taylor have hike and bike sites, first come first served. The SPT one is huge. You won't get turned away. The CC one has two small sites, but I've never been turned away. No reservations needed of course. Lee On Jun 20, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Roger

Re: [RBW] Is it the tube, or the design?

2014-06-20 Thread Aaron Young
Shoji, Thanks for posting that link. It was an interesting read. I wonder if a lot of what they experienced in road dampening qualities was due to the difference in fork flex (thinking of Jan Heine's ideas about the shock absorption of round, thin wall fork blades). It would be interesting to

Re: [RBW] Is it the tube, or the design?

2014-06-20 Thread Tim McNamara
Yes, the design is the major factor in terms of how the bike handles and rides... however. The tubing diameter and wall thickness directly influence the stiffness (or perhaps more accurately the spring rate) of each tube. This in turn will affect the bike's response to loading whether from

Re: [RBW] Riv steel tube wall thicknesses? Proprietary or public?

2014-06-20 Thread dougP
This is a theoretical plus but a practical big nothing Truer words were never spoken, not only on this topic but many others as well. I gotta remember this next time we get ourselves all fizzed about (*insert topic here)*. Not to diminish the hours of entertainment and amusement we get from

[RBW] Re: Is it the tube, or the design?

2014-06-20 Thread Garth
It's not a this OR that . .. . . . it's this AND that ! The Whole Enchilada Tubes, design, yes . . . . but mostly it is the mind of the perceiver , the one riding . Call it intangibles , things that no one can measure in any human way, you know it when you feel it :) We spend word upon

Re: [RBW] Marin Camping on Entmoot's Eve (Friday Night)

2014-06-20 Thread Roger
Thanks Lee I've biked into Taylor several times and found once they cut it off (at 7 I believe). Two people were escorted away, but I never knew if they were tucked in somewhere else or if they were turned away. All the riders I've talked with believe Taylor never turns away a cyclist, so maybe

Re: [RBW] Riv steel tube wall thicknesses? Proprietary or public?

2014-06-20 Thread Robert F. Harrison
I like it, but can't we go further and get small enough that we can only speak about the thickness in probabilities? Then we could discuss frames as wave functions. At that point frames could be priced on the probability of their collapsing into something you can actually ride. For $1 you could

[RBW] Re: Riv steel tube wall thicknesses? Proprietary or public?

2014-06-20 Thread Michael
I can see why its not good to get tied up in knots about tubing specs. Especially when I don't have a clue about how framesets work. This thread was started to help unravel myself from yet another cycling theory system: ultra-light-flexi is better. I have read a lot of chatter about this

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: FYI - V-Brake Arm Lengths

2014-06-20 Thread Tom
Awesome idea! Shimano Deore XT BR-T780: 107 mm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: FYI - V-Brake Arm Lengths

2014-06-20 Thread Deacon Patrick
This resource may help: http://www.gravelbike.com With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: FYI - V-Brake Arm Lengths

2014-06-20 Thread Deacon Patrick
Sorry. here's the link direct to the post: http://www.gravelbike.com/?p=3298 With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Riv steel tube wall thicknesses? Proprietary or public?

2014-06-20 Thread jimD
Just a thought. Not saying it's a good one. Good or not it's a fun one! -JimD On Jun 20, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: I like it, but can't we go further and get small enough that we can only speak about the thickness in probabilities? Then we could

[RBW] WTB: 32h 700c Rims - Silver or Polish

2014-06-20 Thread Kieran J
Hi All, Another WTB posting here - looking for a pair of 700c rims for a wheel build. Something wider, a la VO Raid, Soma Weymouth, Salsa Delgado Cross, etc. Must be new/NOS. Must be polished (first choice) or silver (second choice). Classic box section, rather than aero preferred. Anyone

[RBW] Travel to SFO / RBW: Food Tips?

2014-06-20 Thread Madam Xylene
For walnut creek visit ask the rbw folks. Lots of good places near the rbw hatchet shop. For sf, show dog on market st near 7th is worth the short walk or transit ride. Colorful urban neighborhood but worth it for the fried chicken sandwiches and house made sausages. Good coffee too -- You

[RBW] Re: Travel to SFO / RBW: Food Tips?

2014-06-20 Thread Evan
Frank, Do you hanker for anything in particular? One fairly safe bet is the Ferry Building. You'll find roughly seven restaurants there, plus Blue Bottle coffee (prepare to queue up) and Humphrey Slocombe ice cream. It's right on the Embarcadero waterfront where Market Street meets the bay,