[RBW] Re: Huge Rosco Mixte

Darn it, and I just found and bought a medium MTBubbe frameset. This is a prettier color, not quite the right wheel configuration, but a good price and just my size, even to the long virtual top tube. Maybe I get the dinged-up MTBubbe repainted that nice blue. On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 9

[RBW] Re: Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

Speaking of rebranding: I have handled slick 650b Gravel King tires that have "PACENTI" molded into the sidewall, so maybe Panaracer is reusing the mold of a Pacenti-commisioned tire? It could be a different compound/material though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to t

[RBW] Re: Huge Rosco Mixte

Y'all non-huge types check the Specials at Rivbike. There's a 54-60 step-through with lifty bar there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

My riding took a leap forward a few years ago when I finally broke down and started buying expensive tires. They do make a difference, and they are worth the money. I currently ride Grand Bois and Compass tires almost exclusively. The major exception is a 650B-equipped Rivendell that currently

[RBW] Re: FS: various perennially popular components...

What about the pump? CZ On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 1:11:33 PM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote: > > Gang, > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157687093735244 > > I've got a fresh batch of extra items to move forward - please feel > free ask any questions or to make offers. I

Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

Bill said he is not doing a bike ranking, which I understand. You don't want the other children to know the favorite. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

Lee Legrand very concisely asked: "Huh?" in response to my sarcastic request for the best tires in the world to be cheap. It was a sarcastic comment. Many many people have learned that better tires are better. Many people believe that Compass tires are the best in the world for their given s

Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

Tony asked which bike I would try to take on PBP if it were next week. I'll answer that a little bit obliquely by saying that I'm planning on doing the traditional San Francisco Randonneurs 2018 SR Series on my Samuel Hillborne. So, if PBP was next week, I suppose I would do PBP on my Sam Hil

Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

Congrats Bill and thanks so much for taking us along with you on your experience. Building up for a SR and potential PBP is a heck of a goal and after this kind of kickstart I'm sure you'll be able to do it! Which bike would gain your nod for PBP if you were riding in it next week...?!? ;). -

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I thought maybe they had an agreement that panaracer could make their own version even though compass designed it. Because the gravel king looked identical to me. But turns out they are not the same tire anyway so it's a moot question. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

Turns out they're not the same as the gravel kings. I love the compass tires but now they're up to 64 bucks. It was good to have the price break that compass gave over the last couple years when the yen went down. That was nice of them. I think they were 57$ when I bought my last ones. So not a

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

Not exactly almost. But here you go: *For the Compass Extralight models, Panaracer uses a casing usually reserved for their top-end racing tubulars. Panaracer doesn’t use this casing on their own clinchers. The company feels that their tires may end up with inexperienced customers, who may need

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I'm pretty sure Compass owns the mold. On 10/04/2017 09:41 PM, lum gim fong wrote: I did not mean that compass was re-branding tires. That's not what I was talking about. I know the history of those compass tires. Pana racer made them for compass. So I thought maybe panaracer had rights s

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I did not mean that compass was re-branding tires. That's not what I was talking about. I know the history of those compass tires. Pana racer made them for compass. So I thought maybe panaracer had rights since they have the mold and equipment to make them and was making their own and that t

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I don’t ask for much. I just want somebody to ignore all costs to develop and manufacture the best tires in the world and I want them to sell them to me for really really cheap. What’s so hard about that?! Huh? On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:01 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > I don’t ask for much. I jus

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I don’t ask for much. I just want somebody to ignore all costs to develop and manufacture the best tires in the world and I want them to sell them to me for really really cheap. What’s so hard about that?! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owne

[RBW] Re: FS-Joe Appaloosa

Nobody wants a 58 Joe? On to eBay... On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 3:58:06 PM UTC-5, Rusty Click wrote: > > That is a great looking bike and very tempting. Being 6'1" and 91.5 pbh, > it may just be a great fit. I've gotta think about it a bit more...hmmm. > > I'll PM you if I fall off the

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Lee Legrand wrote: > Compass tires, if I remember correctly, are made almost by hand which is > why the cost is the way it is. > I suspect you're on to something there. I've always thought it was sorta funny that so many people assume Compass marks up their tires

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I've also been in search of times that would match the Compass tires without the same high cost. I was working on the assumption that a bigger company with wider distribution channels could offer the same thing for less. Doesn't appear to be the case. The closest alternative is the Soma Supple Vite

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

The Soma Vitesse are awfully close to my estimation and at $35 a pop look pretty good -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsub

Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

My two-speed singlespeed is a custom Gunnar that I bought second hand. The original owner spec'd this custom to be like a Samuel Hillborne, and it is. It's got a 130mm rear end with a Phil single speed hub. I'm running a 16/19 White Industries DOS ENO freewheel. The crankset is a 110 bcd,

[RBW] Re: Huge Rosco Mixte

Oh, man. I wish I was in a place to get one of those frames. Looks lovely! Can't wait to see pictures of the build. Congrats! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

[RBW] Re: Huge Rosco Mixte

I have owned some BIG bikes, and that is a REALLY BIG BIKE. I don't think it's for you, though, Kai. I'd be happy to take it off your hands. 😁 Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop rece

Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

What's this two speed single speed? I didn't see it in your list. Eric Whose single speed BMC has three speeds On Wednesday, October 4, 2017, Bill Lindsay wrote: > I really enjoyed three long rides. About a dozen of us went for a weekend > trip to Bodega Bay. I used roads that San Francisco R

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I've also been in search of times that would match the Compass tires without the same high cost. I was working on the assumption that a bigger company with wider distribution channels could offer the same thing for less. Doesn't appear to be the case. The closest alternative is the Soma Supple V

[RBW] Re: 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

I really enjoyed three long rides. About a dozen of us went for a weekend trip to Bodega Bay. I used roads that San Francisco Randonneurs use on several of their routes to go from Embarcadero BART to Dillon Beach. It was about 70 miles, and was fun for several reasons, including the fact tha

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

On 10/04/2017 06:41 PM, lum gim fong wrote:  https://www.niagaracycle.com/categories/panaracer-gravelking-slick-650x42mm-brown-sidewall Panaracer rebranded? Not an accusation, just curious, because if it is the same tire I'd like to save the 40$ per pair by buying these. Anyone know?

[RBW] Re: Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

Oops...answering my own thread. GK are puncture treaded, so not the same as Babyshoes. Man..why do nice tires have to be so expensive?!?!?! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiv

[RBW] Re: Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I just installed a pair of the 650Bx38 of the slick GravelKing. The casing is definitely heavier than the Compass tires - it's definitely not the same thing rebranded, though Panaracer does manufacture both tires. It's a comfortable enough tire, and hopefully reasonably durable, but it's not eq

[RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

https://www.niagaracycle.com/categories/panaracer-gravelking-slick-650x42mm-brown-sidewall Panaracer rebranded? Not an accusation, just curious, because if it is the same tire I'd like to save the 40$ per pair by buying these. Anyone know? -- You received this message because you are sub

[RBW] Re: 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

OK Bikk: 1. I understand you are not ranking the bikes. But please tell us: 1. Which ride was the most memorable and why. 2. Which bike you enjoyed riding the most. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

[RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

I patch the tubes until the valve stem leaks at the tube junction, this seems to go before the tube rots. Patching the tube also lets you know where on the tire the puncture occurred. I always align the tire label with the valve stem. If it is not obvious where on the tire the puncture occurred

[RBW] OT: know anything about motorcycles?

I've owned three "thumpers" (single-cylinder motorcycles)--a 650, a 350 and a 250, my most recent ride. My aim was exploring the beautiful northern Flint Hills within 100 miles of where I live in Manhattan, Kansas. I found a 2002 Kawasaki Super Sherpa that was just right for me. The engine was a

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

Spare tubes of cement are easy to find online. They’re sealed very well and will last forever until you puncture the end for the first use. --Eric N Twitter/Instagram/YouTube: @CampyOnlyGuy > On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:37 AM, George Schick wrote: > > I agree with all of the comments here about patch

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

On 10/04/2017 10:23 AM, lum gim fong wrote: Sounds permanent. Do you all use patched tubes on your front wheel? Feel safe enough for that? Absolutely. For anyone who's interested, Rivendell has a video in the articles section of their website teaching how to patch a tube. -- Steve Pal

Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

Bill, +1 and agreed with all of the people who have thoroughly enjoyed the reports and the pictures! It has been great to see the bikes and the great places you have to ride. I especially enjoyed hearing how well the Rosco Bubbe step-through fit in as it is always very cool when experiments

Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

lum gim fong, Yes, patching (when successfully accomplished) is permanent--as permanent as any inner tube can be. In addition to the other suggestions here that reinforce following the directions carefully, I suggest: 1) inflating the unmatched tube as much as possible before applying the pat

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

When there's no more room. On 10/04/2017 01:28 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: I'm curious: at what number do others draw the line, and why? On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Greg J > wrote: ... I typically patch a tube 3x or 4x before I replace with a new one.

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

On 10/04/2017 01:33 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: There's a line? Grin. When the hole is bigger than the patch I toss the tube. Tubes last me a long time. So far they die one of two ways: poor install and I blow the tube when I first pump it up; the tire dies also, from glass. In my experienc

Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

Bill, this has been a most enjoyable thread. Thank you for sharing it with the group. Congratulations on keeping the commitment! Best regards, Richard On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 3:38:06 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Matt asked for some kind of ranking one through ten, which is not goin

[RBW] Re: 56 650b Hunqapillar arrived.

Bob, Velocity Cliffhangers of the polished variety. On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 2:51:04 PM UTC-5, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote: > Love it! > > > Stephen, what rims are you using with those 2.4s? > > > Bob E  -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Ow

[RBW] Re: 56 650b Hunqapillar arrived.

Love it! Stephen, what rims are you using with those 2.4s? Bob E -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups

Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

Matt asked for some kind of ranking one through ten, which is not going to happen. That would only make sense if all ten of them had the same intended use with similar objectives and expectations so you could say which one delivers best. There’s only two bikes in my fleet with the same basic int

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

I once stopped counting at 36 on a tube that must have been 10 years old ... Patrick "this is a very minor distinction, but it's all mine" Moore, who a year or 2 ago donated or sold his huge stash of Remas because he now uses *modern sealants!* On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Deacon Patrick wro

[RBW] Re: OT: know anything about motorcycles?

Hi Drew, Check out the ADVRIDER forum. It has a huge forum, but it is very comprehensive once you have an idea about what you want. It sounds like you want to sell the 2 dirt bikes and buy a dual-sport---meaning that it can be registered for the road but also be rideable on dirt, like a cros

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

There's a line? Grin. When the hole is bigger than the patch I toss the tube. Tubes last me a long time. So far they die one of two ways: poor install and I blow the tube when I first pump it up; the tire dies also, from glass. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 11:28:11 AM

[RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

like others have chimed yes i consider it a permanent fix, meaning i don't expect to have a problem with it again, unless the tube gets a problem elsewhere. i use park tools patch kit and its been fine. i even used it on an air mattress 4 years ago. still holds air. On Tuesday, October 3, 2017

[RBW] still wtb Surly Nice Front rack

Yea, you heard me! ...silver preferred -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group,

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

I'm curious: at what number do others draw the line, and why? On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Greg J wrote: > > ... I typically patch a tube 3x or 4x before I replace with a new one. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

Done right, I think the patch and the tube chemically become a single material -- I think the correct term may be "vulcanize." So it should be permanent. Now, if done in a rush, I've had the patch come off, but that's totally due to user error. I typically patch a tube 3x or 4x before I rep

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

I used to repair tubes at the spot of the puncture, but now carry 2 spares and just put on another tube and repair it at home. Instead of using those silly tubes, I bought a 8 oz. can of Slime brand rubber cement from an auto parts store. Being a sealed can with applicator, you can use it all an

Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

Bill your 10 bikes X 200 mile saga has been very interesting to read and quite motivational to me...I'm retiring next June. I'm not thinking PBP or anything like thatI wouldn't rule it out but once I retire I'll have more time to ride ...my Rivs which do not get ridden enough...won't commute

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

I agree with all of the comments here about patching and patch types. One thing I've noticed lately, though, is that LBS's do not seem to be stocking vulcanizing cement anymore - you can still get small tubes of it, but you have to buy an entire patch kit including patches and that useless san

[RBW] Re: BG Rock and roll tires 700c

700c? How much would shipping to NJ be? Gumwall or black? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To p

[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Clem H, $900

This is a very good deal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

Aye. I don’t even consider it a risk and have never experienced it as an issue. My spare tubes are patched, as that only makes sense in rotation with the “swap tubes, patch in controlled environment” system. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the G

Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

I don't know about Kojaks, but Paselas are available in 650b x 42mm. I don't think there is a 38mm version, but I could be wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

Bill, We need a best to not as best ranking for the bikes you rode? There is not as best to worst in my opinion on the bikes you rode. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

Sounds permanent. Do you all use patched tubes on your front wheel? Feel safe enough for that? For anyone who's interested, Rivendell has a video in the articles section of their website teaching how to patch a tube. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

SP and DP have it correct. I’m riding almost every day and I’m doing comparatively little hammering. The first three weeks of this was built on a daily commute routine made up of four little six mile stages. Anybody can ride six miles at a conversational pace, but when you throw together a 1000

[RBW] Re: Autumn bike camping trip

Marc, Excellent! Thanks for sharing your pic. 👊 On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 9:03:25 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote: > Congrats, that setup has been working on my Hunq for years!  You can look > forward to a lot of pleasant journeys. > Marc > > On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 10:19:50 PM UTC-

[RBW] Re: Autumn bike camping trip

Congrats, that setup has been working on my Hunq for years! You can look forward to a lot of pleasant journeys. Marc On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 10:19:50 PM

[RBW] Re: Autumn bike camping trip

My pleasure. On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 8:25:57 AM UTC-5, Takashi wrote: > A beautiful bike and beautiful scenery. Thanks for sharing! > > Takashi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and st

[RBW] Re: Autumn bike camping trip

👍 On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 7:56:15 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Excellent! > > On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:19:50 PM UTC-6, MountNormal wrote:So I took > my bicycle on its first camping trip. A 52 mile round trip s24o with stops > along the way to enjoy the scenery and make adj

[RBW] Re: Autumn bike camping trip

A beautiful bike and beautiful scenery. Thanks for sharing! Takashi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroup

[RBW] Re: Autumn bike camping trip

Excellent! On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:19:50 PM UTC-6, MountNormal wrote: > > So I took my bicycle on its first camping trip. A 52 mile round trip s24o > with stops along the way to enjoy the scenery and make adjustments to my > saddle and handlebar height...it's getting dialed in. The trip

Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

Hammer? No. Aerobic, absolutely. The concept is simple. Hammering tears down the body, requires recovery. Aerobic builds up the body and it becomes more efficient and thus going faster, farther, longer for the same effort. Get and read any of the books by Maffetone. This one is a good place to

Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

After a while of doing it daily, you adjust and it gets easier and "normal".  Also, you don't "keep hammering away" day to day: you do easier recovery rides in between.  I've read time and again that the biggest "training error" people commit is hammering away all the time, never taking it easy

Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

Yes, this has been worth it for your loyal readers as well, Bill. I admire your commitment, but obviously you have made some significant gains, and I'm sure that has provided motivation down the stretch. I also like your bikes. I've been tempted to get an RLT or a Black Mountain Road, and this t