Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

2017-08-03 Thread Patrick Moore
We don't disagree; it's just that you said, "It felt so stable on the 42s and the level of vibration goes down tremendously.* Because you don't feel the road vibrations as much you think you are going slowly, but you are really going much faster than you might think."*. All I was saying is that

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

2017-08-03 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
I don't know Patrick. What you seem to be saying is that you don't equate vibrations with speed, and that's great, but I am not sure you understand what I am trying to convey: If you ride your bike for hundreds of miles with a setup, you get used to the hum of the road the vibrations that come

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

2017-08-03 Thread Patrick Moore
My point is that vibration has nothing to do with the sensation of speed, for me and for many others. Those tires feel fast to me, be they fat or thin, which appear to let me maintain a given cadence in given conditions in a given gear; greater plushness adds to the feeling of speed. I go back

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

2017-08-03 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
I'm talking about the eye-opening experience of taking a good 700c x 32 mm setup and converting that same ride/frame into a 650b x 42 mm setup. It's taking a very familiar ride and giving it a totally new experience. If you've ridden wide supple tires like this before, then perhaps you wouldn't

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

2017-08-03 Thread Patrick Moore
Many riders I know, myself among them, don't associate vibration with speed; in fact, I assocate vibration with slowness and plushness with speed -- Elk Passes at 55 versus Pro Race 4s at 90. I think this idea originated in a guess by Jan Heine back when he was first promoting the speed benefits

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

2017-08-03 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
The frame I had is a 54 cm (C-T) frame. It felt so stable on the 42s and the level of vibration goes down tremendously. Because you don't feel the road vibrations as much you think you are going slowly, but you are really going much faster than you might think. Toshi On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

2017-08-02 Thread Bill in Roswell GA
Wow Toshi, that came out looking great. Bet it rides like a dream on those 42s. What size frame is yours? Cheers, Bill in Roswell, GA On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 6:39:37 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote: > > Hi Bill, I used a Tektro R559 for the conversion. I have some pictures > showing my blue

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

2017-08-01 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
Hi Bill, I used a Tektro R559 for the conversion. I have some pictures showing my blue ram with Synergy rims and Grand Bois Hetre tires (42 mm 650b). https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/sets/72157631926815235/with/8154499211/ Best, Toshi On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Bill in Roswell

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

2017-08-01 Thread Bill in Roswell GA
If I rode in Keens the TCO would prob go away! But cleated cycling shoes tend to have traditional toe box. No worries, the TCO is worse on my other bikes! Cheers, Bill in Roswell, GA On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 12:35:46 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Size 44 shoes. > > On Tue, Aug 1,

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

2017-08-01 Thread Bill in Roswell GA
Thanks, Patrick. The TCO isn't bad and only realized in parking lot turns. I hear what you say about fenders allowing the tip of the show to slide instead of catching tire. I have an old Bridgestone setup like that and your comment jogged my memory! Cheers, Bill in Roswell, GA On Tuesday,

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

2017-08-01 Thread Bill in Roswell GA
Toshi, did you use Tektro 556 brakes on your Ram 650B conversion? That you could run 42mm tires is enlightening! Look forward to seeing pics of your new ride! Cheers, Bill in Roswell GA On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 7:57:53 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > Congrats on your Ram. It's a

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

2017-08-01 Thread Patrick Moore
Size 44 shoes. On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Regarding fenders and TCO: YMMV, and I am not recommending this, but FWIW: > I found that narrow aluminum fenders on a short f-c urban fixed gear > actually caused my feet to slip off the front wheel

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

2017-08-01 Thread Patrick Moore
Bill: Contratulations, and please post the statutory photos. I used Ultegra/Open Pro/29 mm Parigi Roubaixs on my Ram and it was indeed a fun ride. Regarding fenders and TCO: YMMV, and I am not recommending this, but FWIW: I found that narrow aluminum fenders on a short f-c urban fixed gear

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

2017-07-31 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
Hi Bill, Congrats on your Ram. It's a great bike! You can convert to 650b and that almost eliminates the TCO, but not entirely. I could run 42 mm with fenders on the 650b Ram. With that said, though, I did end up selling my Ram to a group member and getting a custom which should be finished

[RBW] Finally, I have Riv

2017-07-31 Thread Bill in Roswell GA
Bobs and Rivs, A big thanks to Bill Hammond for the "long term loan" of his metallic pearl orange Rambouillet, size 54. I've been watching on here for years waiting on an orange Ram in my size. Wonder of wonders, Bill put his up for sale just down the road a couple of hours away. Bill still