Re: [RBW] Is it the tube, or the design?

2014-06-25 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 06/20/2014 02:36 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: Yes, the design is the major factor in terms of how the bike handles and rides... however. The tubing diameter and wall thickness directly influence the stiffness (or perhaps more accurately the spring rate) of each tube. This in turn will affect

[RBW] Is it the tube, or the design?

2014-06-20 Thread Joe Bernard
My initial comments about my Heron Road generated a good bit of discussion about the perceived wonderfulness of a specific tube, which has been interesting and informative, but possibly misses a salient fact about said bicycle: I've owned several Grant-designed bikes, and they all have an

Re: [RBW] Is it the tube, or the design?

2014-06-20 Thread Hugh Flynn
As a Heron Road owner, I can certainly agree with what you've described below. I've never really cared about the tubes or tube specs as I've assumed that the great ride quality is the result of the geometry and careful tube selection. Simply picking up the same tubes and making a different

Re: [RBW] Is it the tube, or the design?

2014-06-20 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Hi Joe, I agree with you about the Riv handling-- the ride of the Hunqapillar is just special compared to other bikes I've ridden. I remembered this blinded tubing comparison from Bruce Gordon's site. Steel vs Steel: Tange Prestige and Columbus SL

Re: [RBW] Is it the tube, or the design?

2014-06-20 Thread Patrick Moore
That captures exactly what I love about the Rivendell road bikes I've owned -- particularly the snap into a different direction with no compromise in stability. I fully agree that minutiae about tubing specs play a very small part in this compared to frame design. Grant has a magic touch there.

Re: [RBW] Is it the tube, or the design?

2014-06-20 Thread Aaron Young
Shoji, Thanks for posting that link. It was an interesting read. I wonder if a lot of what they experienced in road dampening qualities was due to the difference in fork flex (thinking of Jan Heine's ideas about the shock absorption of round, thin wall fork blades). It would be interesting to

Re: [RBW] Is it the tube, or the design?

2014-06-20 Thread Tim McNamara
Yes, the design is the major factor in terms of how the bike handles and rides... however. The tubing diameter and wall thickness directly influence the stiffness (or perhaps more accurately the spring rate) of each tube. This in turn will affect the bike's response to loading whether from