[RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Chris Cullum
As others have stated, I'd recommend getting an older high quality MTB over that. Great deals are out there. Get it powder coated if you're looking for a specific colour. On Apr 27, 2016 10:54, "Patrick Moore" wrote: > How about this? Cruiser frame, $125, to be built up with Alfine 8 speed > hub

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Patrick Moore
Again, bb height. I shall have to confirm that the cruiser frame has more drop. On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Chris Cullum wrote: > As others have stated, I'd recommend getting an older high quality MTB > over that. Great deals are out there. Get it powder coated if you're > looking for a spe

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Chris Cullum
Is it BB height specifically or stand over? On Apr 27, 2016 15:19, "Patrick Moore" wrote: > Again, bb height. I shall have to confirm that the cruiser frame has more > drop. > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Chris Cullum > wrote: > >> As others have stated, I'd recommend getting an older high

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Patrick Moore
BB height. I would like a frame that makes it easy, or at least less difficult, to put a foot down when in the saddle. On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Chris Cullum wrote: > Is it BB height specifically or stand over? > On Apr 27, 2016 15:19, "Patrick Moore" wrote: > >> Again, bb height. I shal

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Bill Lindsay
It will be a challenging exercise to make a fun bike out of that frame. It will take a desire to overcome challenges, plus a lot of spare time and spare money. Hopefully you have spare time, spare money and like challenges. A mechanic lacking the intestinal fortitude to overcome the mechanic

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Patrick Moore
Why would it be difficult? On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > It will be a challenging exercise to make a fun bike out of that frame. > It will take a desire to overcome challenges, plus a lot of spare time and > spare money. Hopefully you have spare time, spare money and li

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Deacon Patrick
I don't have anywhere near the technical knowledge or experience of Bill, but this project just feels like a great way to spend nearly as much as a Clementine on far less than a Clementine. I second Bill's warning. Save for the Clementine, and ride whatcha got in the meanwhile. I cherish the sho

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Bill Lindsay
Golly, where do I start? I guess I'll just go through my process when mapping a build. A bike comes in five chapters. The chapter names are: A. frameset B. wheelset C. drivetrain D. components E. accessories Your frameset is already a given. That's Frame + Fork + Headset. B. wheelset. Y

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Patrick Moore
I still don't see what the big deal is. I've already made all the mistakes, starting with my first build from complete scratch in 1970. I did get a Stronglight 49D and original bb assembly to work on a Workman tricycle, and learned the intricacies of tricycle stub axles, and this certainly poses no

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Patrick Moore
Oh, and installing a '50s AW in a 126 mm OL Trek frame (~12 mm difference), and making my own extra large AW cog out of a Hyperglide, and making my own shifter. And converting stirrup brakes to Bowden cable (ie, Bowdens pulling the stirrups). And making a half stepped AW with a Cyclo Benelux

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Bill Lindsay
Well it's clear to me that you are up for it. That being the case I will repeat verbatim my previously stated sincere encouragement: Go for it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop recei

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Joe Bernard
The biggest obstacle remains BB height. Grant specifically included lower ones on Rivendell frames because they weren't common. I'll be interested to see what the cruiser frame reveals; the Fisher Klunker I had (and might buy again this weekend) was tall in the saddle. -- You received this mes

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Patrick Moore
This won't cost nearly as much as a Clementine, even if I have to get wheels custom built for it, and buy Rat Trap Pass tires! I haven't even looked at it in person yet, and I may not buy it, but if (1) it does have more bb drop than a typical mtb, and (2) it isn't as huge a tank as I fear it migh

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks. We'll see; there are many, many possibilities, and one of them is that Catie tell me, "Dad, don't bother, I'm really not all that interested." On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > Well it's clear to me that you are up for it. That being the case I will > repeat verbatim

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Patrick Moore
Yes, I see that the smaller Atlantises have 48 mm bb drops, compared to, what, 40 mm for your old steel hardtails? OTOH, the Long Haul Trucker has a 78 mm drop compared to the 80 of the 700C Atlantises; I've toyed with the idea of getting a disk frameset and installing wheels for 2"+ 559 tires: the

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Patrick Moore
Actually, I see that the Surly LHT comes in 26" wheel models too, with 47 mm bb drop -- so all is well if I go that route. I just weighed her cheap Diamond Back (aluminum frame) and it weighs 34 1/2 lb, so we have a pretty low bar here. On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > Ye

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread masmojo
There's no real challenge to building that Trek cruiser frame, I've built a dozen similar bikes and worked on many more. About as simple as it gets really. Don't know what your parts stash looks like, but if it's anywhere close to mine you probably have half of what you would need already and th

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-27 Thread Joe Bernard
Patrick is trying to get the saddle down low enough that the kid can put one foot down at stops while seated (I didn't realize this was the goal earlier). An Electra Townie "flatfoot technology" might be the ticket here. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-28 Thread Patrick Moore
Joe: I've thought of a Townie. In fact, Catie did have a Townie, bought for her 10th birthday, but her 12 year old self despised the pink paint and white saddle that her 10 year old self loved, so we sold it and I got her the DB. But perhaps she'll be interested in it again. "Masmojo": would you s

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-28 Thread masmojo
I can try Patrick, but this Goggle group thing is pretty primitive. I tried posting a link earlier, but it got messed up & since I can't go back and edit it it's a bit frustrating. My Breezer Ignaz-X [URL=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/masmojo/media/FB_IMG_1443382032937_zpsbbe9zfop.jpg.htm

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-28 Thread Joe Bernard
The photo doesn't work for me, but I love those Breezet -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To pos

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-28 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks; I cut and pasted and got this: http://smg.photobucket.com/user/masmojo/media/FB_IMG_1443382032937_zpsbbe9zfop.jpg.html Replace those tires with Rat Trap Passes and ... On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 9:06 AM, masmojo wrote: > I can try Patrick, but this Goggle group thing is pretty primitive.

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-28 Thread masmojo
Thanx, I'll figure out how to get pictures in here eventually! LOL Those Rat Trap Pass tire are pretty nice, but I think maybe a bit precious for a cruiser!? The tires that are on there a Continentals and even those weren't cheap when I bought them! That bike is setup for bombing around worry fr

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-28 Thread Brian Campbell
Can & Should are different paths.I had commented "heavy" earlier regarding the weight. As a father of a 10yr old girl and a 14yr old son, I have seen, first hand, the difference bike weight makes in my kids desire to cycle.I am not weight obsessed but I don't want to pay a penalty either. M

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Bike for Catie

2016-04-28 Thread masmojo
I agree, I try to avoid heavy when possible, but 80% of additional weight is in components. I swapped the heavy post that came on my Clementine for a much lighter one and even then chopped about 5" of excess post off! Lightness is far more important in my mind then BB or even seat height, but