That's exactly the point, isn't it? Makes great sense.
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Chris Burgess wrote:
> A bike that can go fast but does not look like it needs to (if that's
> makes any sense)
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Thanks Tom,
Any particular vintage era touring bike you prefer?
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Thanks everyone. I went ahead and put the Scrap Deluxe up for sale. It's a cool
bike and a great ride but I think a Sam is going to be a more flexible bike for
me. I like the idea of a vintage steel bike but I know nothing about building
or restoring a bike plus the Pashley Guv'nor satisfies my
On Sun, 2012-12-09 at 10:02 -0800, charlie wrote:
> I see your point Steve and don't necessarily disagreefor me at 257
> right now, two top tubes seems fine. In fact, the Sam feels more
> lively than my Surly Trucker. I own a standard diameter high end 80's
> race bike with Columbus SL and it f
I see your point Steve and don't necessarily disagreefor me at 257
right now, two top tubes seems fine. In fact, the Sam feels more lively
than my Surly Trucker. I own a standard diameter high end 80's race bike
with Columbus SL and it flexes noticeably (for me) I only ride it on smooth
roa
My Sam is my favorite bike and my only bike presently. And I have owned and
thuroughly ridden multiple frames made of light weight steel, aluminum and
carbon fiber. But I am not everybody. It's got a lot to do with where I am
presently in life and what I am doing on the bike. If you think about
Some folks prefer more flexible frames and some folks prefer stiffer
ones.
Ones disliked noodle may be another's delightful springiness.
Similarly taste in handling varies. The same bike may strike one rider
as wonderfully responsive and another as dreadfully twitchy.
It's often a good idea to actu
On Sat, 2012-12-08 at 13:02 -0800, charlie wrote:
> Yea Marc's bike is typical.weight wise. Not sure what my double
> top tube Sam weighs probably 8 ounces more though. The Sam in my
> opinion isn't 'overbuilt' or 'heavy'. I think the whole weight thing
> is a little over emphasized and somethi
Yea Marc's bike is typical.weight wise. Not sure what my double top
tube Sam weighs probably 8 ounces more though. The Sam in my opinion isn't
'overbuilt' or 'heavy'. I think the whole weight thing is a little
over emphasized and something Grant has some strong opinions about. Even BQ
magaz
Mine is a single TT 56 cm, it weighs 26 with longboard fenders and bottle
cage. I ride it obsessively not daily.
Marc
On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:13:27 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
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> Anyone got a complete Sam they can weigh (without add ons) and report back
>> for the OP?
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I bought a single top tube Sam Hillborne 2 years ago. Albatross bars,
racks front and back, nice wheels. I literally ride that bike every day.
To work, for errands, groceries and for just riding. I never grow tired
of it. I'm a 56 year old kid. Just about the best investment I ever made.
The Velorbis is waaay cooler than the guvnor in my opinion. And with less
overlap with a Sam, also in my opinion!
Edwin W
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Hey Joe,
Thanks for the sage advice. I'm sure if I bought one I would love it.
Thanks again,
Chris
On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 3:03:58 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Yep. What you have right now are two heavy bikes (Velorbis and Electra),
> and one with a semi-extreme riding position and hi
Yeah Ryan,
It's quite a lot of money to put down. Maybe I can head up to Walnut Creek
and check them out. It's only about 7 hours or so...
On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 3:38:37 PM UTC-8, Ryan wrote:
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> But a significant investment nonetheless. Especially if you're on the
> fence. I'd say if y
It sounds like you have a lot of heavy bikes and mostly commute. Have you
thought about trying to buy a used simple one or quickbeam? I also had/have
heavier bikes (big dummy, Atlantis) but mostly commute. I bought a Simple
One this year and set it up for my commute with a front basket and rear
The question is, what do you want your new bike to do that one of your
current bikes doesn't do, or do well? You may in fact want a Riv, but maybe
not a Sam, or maybe not at all. What's you most pressing need?
Unless you have lots of money and storage space I wouldnt buy a bike
because "they sou
>
> Anyone got a complete Sam they can weigh (without add ons) and report back
> for the OP?
>
>
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Rivendels are great bikes but most are overbuilt and you already have 2 of
those. I suggest getting a luged steel touring bike from the 70's or 80's
or even a 70's racing bike. A more lively frame is a joy to ride. You will
also save a lot of money buying one of those. I currently own an Atlanti
But a significant investment nonetheless. Especially if you're on the
fence. I'd say if you have an opportunity to test ride a Sam and or some
other Riv models by all means do so. The lighter weight and fine ride of
the Riv might win you over...I also know that the good people of RivHQ
would
Yep. What you have right now are two heavy bikes (Velorbis and Electra),
and one with a semi-extreme riding position and high bottom bracket
(Guv'nor). The Sam would be a multi-geared semi-lightweight bicycle that
would be excellent for commuting *and* jaunts in Griffith Park. Keep the
Electra
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