[RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

2024-05-25 Thread ascpgh
Like cars, I hate that complexities are defining "bicycles". I love my bikes and love riding them. Keeping them functioning versus in service is my objective and there is no more timely arrangement than me being able to execute adjustments, service and repair. Complexity challenges entropy

[RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

2024-05-24 Thread Nick Payne
On Saturday 25 May 2024 at 2:31:29 am UTC+10 nca...@gmail.com wrote: then folks decided *wireless* groupsets had to be a thing (first released only 4 years after the first iPad). Long before that. Mavic Mektronic pre-dated the iPad by at least a decade, and its predecessor (Mavic Zap, which

Re: [RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

2024-05-24 Thread Chris Halasz
I have to wonder whether the increased cost per square area of the ever popular e-bike vs, say, a simple bike that most folks used to purchase for around town has improved the bottom line of many a bike ship. Of course, we also see the trend of big box bike brands buying out many a good local

Re: [RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

2024-05-24 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
I always appreciated solid designs, but definitively stepped off the train in the late 90's. I'd been reading GP's writings and spent a lot of time on Sheldon's site. Slowly realizing that simple and dependable beat flashy and light every day of the week. I was riding a ton through a

Re: [RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

2024-05-24 Thread Mathias Steiner
please please please let it be an April-Fool's joke On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 1:09:04 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: > SaaS -- Shifting-as-a-Service, and "your personal power assistant." I love > it. > > On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 10:41 AM Robert Calton wrote: > >> To add an amusing, cynical

Re: [RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

2024-05-24 Thread Patrick Moore
SaaS -- Shifting-as-a-Service, and "your personal power assistant." I love it. On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 10:41 AM Robert Calton wrote: > To add an amusing, cynical thought: can you imagine Shifting-as-a-Service? > New fully integrated wireless 5G groupsets charge you $10/month for 1,000 > shifts

[RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

2024-05-24 Thread Robert Calton
To add an amusing, cynical thought: can you imagine Shifting-as-a-Service? New fully integrated wireless 5G groupsets charge you $10/month for 1,000 shifts and then you're stuck with a fixie. Or pony up $40/month for unlimited shifts and get your shifting analytics pushed to the latest Shimano

[RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

2024-05-24 Thread Robert Calton
My sense is that the complexity of bikes has risen proportionally with the extent to which* riders have agreed to make bicycling complex*. Decades ago, we as riders didn't much care about quantifying the power put to the pedals, then in the late 80s, powermeters became a thing. Then as our