Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-23 Thread René Sterental
Thank you! On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 9:43 AM Julian Westerhout wrote: > Rene, > > From the tandem list: > > -- tandem@hobbes: The Internet Mailing List for Tandem Bicycle > Enthusiasts -- > Post to: tan...@hobbes.ucsd.edu (include your real name ) > How to subscribe: http://hobbes.ucsd.edu/tandem

Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-23 Thread Julian Westerhout
Rene, >From the tandem list: -- tandem@hobbes: The Internet Mailing List for Tandem Bicycle Enthusiasts -- Post to: tan...@hobbes.ucsd.edu (include your real name ) How to subscribe: http://hobbes.ucsd.edu/tandem/info.html Posting Guidelines: http://hobbes.ucsd.edu/tandem/guidelines Recent Me

Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-23 Thread René Sterental
Right. The Santana article pointed that out and their argument was that whereas the hard braking risk on a regular bike is for the rider to go over the bars, on a tandem is for the front wheel to slide under if locked, which has catastrophic results. I'm going to look for that tandem group. Do you

Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-23 Thread Steve Palincsar
Well, for sure you aren't going to lift the back wheel off the ground! On 04/23/2017 08:23 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote: This topic has been raging on the Tandem@hobbes list for the entire winter. It's been physicist vs physicist and I am not about to jump into the argument. A lot depends on th

Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-23 Thread Michael Hechmer
This topic has been raging on the Tandem@hobbes list for the entire winter. It's been physicist vs physicist and I am not about to jump into the argument. A lot depends on the kind of riding you do. One thing I will offer for those new to the tandem world. Because of the added rear weight i

Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-21 Thread René Sterental
Thanks! Good to know that the MiniMotos work so well. On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 2:57 PM 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I have no experience with the Motolites. I needed a v-brake that would > work with drop bar brake levers. If I didn't have a stoker o

Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-21 Thread 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch
I have no experience with the Motolites. I needed a v-brake that would work with drop bar brake levers. If I didn't have a stoker on the back, I think I could have stood the Santana on the front wheel; those brakes saved our lives more than once... On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 2:10:43 PM UTC-5,

Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-21 Thread René Sterental
Thank you both for the feedback. Do you think the braking power of the MiniMotos is the same as the Motolites? I know the Minis are for canti levers and the Motolites are for long pull levers, but I'm talking about pure braking power. Are they the same or is the longer Motolites with the longer ca

[RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-21 Thread 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch
I agree with Ray. I replaced the vintage STI/Erickson Gizmo and XT v-brakes/travel agents on my 20y/o Santana with Gevenalle Audax shifters and Paul MiniMotos. The drum brake was controlled by the captain with a Shimano friction bar end shifter. I have disc brakes on my Fargo, Pugsley, and Powd

Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-21 Thread Ray Varella
Rene, I've always used shifter cables in mine. I've never given it a second thought but I routinely inspect brake cables, doubly so on my tandem. Drag brakes also make excellent perking brakes which makes parking a tandem a bit easier. Ray -- You received this message because you are sub

Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-20 Thread René Sterental
Great insight! Thank you for sharing it. One question on the barcon for the drag brake. What kind of cable do you use? Shifter cable that fits in the barcon but may be too thin, or brake cable that is thicker and may not fit through the barcon? Or were these Suntour barcons capable of handling bot

Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-20 Thread Ray Varella
I've had a tandem for over 30 years and my drag brake is an Arai drum. It has been controlled by a Suntour bar on until recently and it is now controlled by a Suntour thumbshifter. In many years of tandeming, with numerous different stokers, it is my humble opinion that it is asking a lot of a

Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-20 Thread René Sterental
Ja ja ja ja!!! Very true. On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 7:03 PM ted wrote: > If the stoker thinks it's too fast, better slow down. > First rule of tandems: the stoker is never wrong. > Second rule: see first rule. > Third rule: ibid > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-20 Thread ted
If the stoker thinks it's too fast, better slow down. First rule of tandems: the stoker is never wrong. Second rule: see first rule. Third rule: ibid -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop re

Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-20 Thread René Sterental
Oh, I see. I did a search on Suntour Barcon and realized you are controlling the drag brake with a friction shifter. Ingenious! I wonder if it makes more sense to have the captain control all the braking, which means that adjusting the drag brake while already on the descent means releasing the re

Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-20 Thread René Sterental
The Hubbuhubbuh comes configured with only a rear disc brake, just like Santana recommends. When I spoke with Grant last year, he explained the concept of the drag brake, and in their demo tandem, it was the stoker who controlled it. I can't remember if the lever was different to be able to keep it

Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-20 Thread René Sterental
Bill, good catch on their typo! Ja ja ja ja!!! On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > That truly is a forward-thinking articleconsidering it was written in > the future! It was written in November of 2017! Do they have flying cars > in the future? > > Bill "Marty-McFly" Lin

[RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

2017-04-20 Thread Bill Lindsay
That truly is a forward-thinking articleconsidering it was written in the future! It was written in November of 2017! Do they have flying cars in the future? Bill "Marty-McFly" Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 3:42:39 PM UTC-7, René wrote: > > As I'm gearing up to e