[RBW] Re: Clem vs. Joe A, sizing...

2016-03-14 Thread drew
sorry, im responsible for thread drift here. that makes sense though, since the atlantis is straight gauge now, and since the hillborne is butted in some way/calipered/tighter clearanced the similarities probably do err much more on the side of the current hilsen. -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Re: Clem vs. Joe A, sizing...

2016-03-14 Thread Zed Martinez
OK, from RR41: "The Sam may be even more versatile than the AHH, because the tubing is slightly thicker (same gauge as the Atlantis), so it more suited to loaded touring. With AHH clearance, Atlantis tubing gauges, and a fork that splits the diff, you can think of it as halfway between the Atlanti

Re: [RBW] Re: Clem vs. Joe A, sizing...

2016-03-14 Thread Jim D Massachusetts
My recollection is that the tubes were heavier on the Hillborne. Jim D. Massachusetts On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 12:41:38 AM UTC-4, James Warren wrote: > > > Not sure about the Chev/Clem part of your questions, but regarding > Hillborne/Homer, you are basically right. The o

Re: [RBW] Re: Clem vs. Joe A, sizing...

2016-03-13 Thread James Warren
Not sure about the Chev/Clem part of your questions, but regarding Hillborne/Homer, you are basically right. The only detail I'll add is that the Hillborne was introduced as a bike that is halfway between Homer and Atlantis. Having ridden both, I think Homer is faster. On Mar 13, 2016, at 6:1

[RBW] Re: Clem vs. Joe A, sizing...

2016-03-13 Thread Zed Martinez
Wasn't the Hillborne more or less literally just a Homer-like bike with the expanded geo/fewer sizes and made in Taiwan things? That was the impression I always got from the Readers when they announced them, anyway. I wonder if the rider weight thing with the Chev is the step-through and lack o

[RBW] Re: Clem vs. Joe A, sizing...

2016-03-13 Thread drew
that's an interesting table that zed posted. im sort of surprised that the cheviot can handle more loads (but less rider weight) than a hillborne, and that the hilsen and hillborne are so similarly maxed out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW O

Re: [RBW] Re: Clem vs. Joe A, sizing...

2016-03-13 Thread Patrick Moore
That is certainly true when one is young; I did very fast and moderately long (50-60 mile) rides as a teenager under the equatorial sun (tho' at 5-6-7K feet) on an Indian roadster and various home builts. In my 30s my road bars were 6" below saddle an my riding position was AFU; in my 40s to mid 50

[RBW] Re: Clem vs. Joe A, sizing...

2016-03-13 Thread Zed Martinez
I'm with ya mostly. There are a few set-ups that just really seem to tweak my wrists something awful though, and they happen randomly enough I live more or less in constant worry of it happening then setting up a new ride. It was just weird, with the Clem. I know on paper the albas should work,

[RBW] Re: Clem vs. Joe A, sizing...

2016-03-13 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
The issue I have with the Boscos I think is mostly just a matter of "body memory" getting in the way for the moment. I confess that (within a certain reasonable range, of course) I've never been terribly meticulous in my bike setups, from reach to drop to tt size to what size cogs are on the clu

[RBW] Re: Clem vs. Joe A, sizing...

2016-03-13 Thread Zed Martinez
Mark, the only reason I mention the bar/saddle height relationship thing is because of my experience using it with the albastaches. The same theory from the expanded sizing that lets the bars come back at you fast as they come up thanks to slack head tubes also makes them go away from you fast a

[RBW] Re: Clem vs. Joe A, sizing...

2016-03-13 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
I think comparing the sizing to traditional bike sizes will not be of much help with the newest Riv bicycles. I normally ride a 58-59cm standard diamond frame bike, but my Clem, at 52, fits me perfectly. Also, I think somewhere (the Clem brochure? it is written that these are "not lowest bar he

[RBW] Re: Clem vs. Joe A, sizing...

2016-03-12 Thread Zed Martinez
The newest Rivendell Reader had a handy-dandy table breaking down all their current bikes they should really have on the site somewhere, it's a good, quick overview for where the different models fall: http://imgur.com/UPvCmy0 The Joe is more of a road touring model, and uses lighter tubing and