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The fix was actually a multi-layered set up. Between the tube and the tire I used a Park Took tire patch. However, after an hour or so it began to bulge a bit so I wrapped the whole shebang in duct tape and unnattached the rim brake. The duct tape really seemed to keep the bulge from growing an

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Yes and yes. It is feasible and I do now carry a spare folding tire (SOMA B) which I hope is for a problem that is too rare to worry about. I justify carrying the "extra weight" by switiching both tire and tube when there is a flat which save a good several minutes and allows me to repair the

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I don't see how the duct tape helps wrapped on the outside. I was expecting to see a picture showing the tape INSIDE the tire, using the tire pressure and effectively creating a tire boot. --Metin On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 9:36:11 AM UTC-8, Iron Rider wrote: > > Another rider gave me one of

Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

Yeah, not sure what the heck I was on about there. Just take the keyboard away from me. Or maybe I need new glasses .. KJ On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 2:40:13 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > Kieran > > Iron Rider is specifically talking about the case where you have a > non-repairable t

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"On the point about spokes, I was pricing out components to build a 650b wheel set and it seems that there are no 650b spokes available? Which size spoke do you use for a 650b build? Maybe once I read the answer it'll be a duh moment. " 650B spokes are a little longer than spokes for 26" wheels

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esday, January 08, 2014 2:55 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues. Ha! That's funny Bill. I'll try to plan that out;-) It's a good point that Ironrider makes and I for one will start travelling with tire/boot patches a

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s.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 2:40 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues. Kieran Iron Rider is specifically talking about the case where you have a non-repairable

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Ha! That's funny Bill. I'll try to plan that out;-) It's a good point that Ironrider makes and I for one will start travelling with tire/boot patches and for long trips a fordable replacement. I imagine as the 650b size becomes more popular then bike stores will carry more selection. On the point

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I've never had a blow out or a gash severe enough to warrant a tire boot. Regardless of what size tire you ride, the chances of encountering difficulty within 100 of an open bike shop are small, despite Bill's sage advice. I carry a cell phone for emergency extractions when the LZ gets too hot.

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Kieran Iron Rider is specifically talking about the case where you have a non-repairable tire sidewall blowout on 650B. Since very few bike shops and zero sporting goods stores sell 650B tires, Iron Rider is making the point that you might be hosed in that situation. It's partially true wit

Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

Many have noted that using a 26" tube for a 650b tire is pretty common and entirely functional. 650b-specific tubes are ideal, but certainly not necessary. Since 26" tires are the most common of all, I would say it's quite possible to mitigate tire issues by either carrying a 26er with you or

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> > @ ironrider: > > > Feasable to carry a spare folding tire, just in case, on these types of > long rides? Or are these problems too rare to worry about it? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

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Another rider gave me one of those and it worked initially. I added the duct tape when I saw slight bulge develop and did not want to risk another blowout because I did not have another boot and I have over one hundred miles left to ride. I now carry a couple just in case. -- You received t

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In my opinion, the sidewall was not cut. It appears to have delaminated. The fibers are layered in cross hatch pattern and the layers separated allowing the blowout to occur. There was no brake contact with the side wall and no sign of any abrasion or cutting of the sidewall. The blowout was no

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A boot ready for it! Cheers, David "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote: > Michael, > > That's a good idea. Though Cyclotourist asked for the tire to boot it I > imagine and city ride it? I was still considering what to

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Michael, That's a good idea. Though Cyclotourist asked for the tire to boot it I imagine and city ride it? I was still considering what to do with the tire and I really like your idea. We'll see. ~Hugh "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving." -- Albert Einstei

[RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

I once sliced the sidewall of a continental gator skin tubular, and I won't be buying any gator skin tires (tubulars or clinchers) again. I have had just as good flat avoidance with nicer riding tires like the Grand Bois lines. In my experience flat protection short of really thick tread and/or

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Do you think this would have worked? http://www.parktool.com/product/emergency-tire-boot-tb-2 I carry one, but I’ve never used it. --Eric Norris Email: campyonly...@me.com Web: www.campyonly.com Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/campyonl

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On 01/07/2014 01:56 PM, Iron Rider wrote: I had a sidewall blowout on my Grand Bois Lierres. I won't be buying those again. http://eprider.blogspot.com/2013/06/images-from-catskill-600k.htm

[RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

I had a sidewall blowout on my Grand Bois Lierres. I won't be buying those again. http://eprider.blogspot.com/2013/06/images-from-catskill-600k.html On Thursday, November 28, 2013 12:15:56

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I like this idea. I've done similar with expired rims. If nothing else to see what's left and if they were really expired. What I learned is that I probably wait too long to swap out rims. They were scary thin. --Smitty On Saturday, January 4, 2014 6:44:44 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote: > > Hugh,

[RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

> > Hugh, > If you are going to throw away the blown tire, could you use a packing knife and cut a section off of it and post a pic here of it so we can see the casing/tread head on? I am trying to understand what Hetres have - an actual casing that wraps around the beads, or just threads emb

Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

Ha! On Dec 3, 2013 9:46 PM, "cyclotourist" wrote: > December is just starting... I'd like me one of those SOMA Grand Randos! > > On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham wrote: > > In the case of the Bike of the Month Club it's yes often. > > > > Best, > > > > ~Hugh > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:41 PM, c

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December is just starting... I'd like me one of those SOMA Grand Randos! On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham wrote: > In the case of the Bike of the Month Club it's yes often. > > Best, > > ~Hugh > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:41 PM, cyclotourist > wrote: > >> Occasionally... >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> David >

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In the case of the Bike of the Month Club it's yes often. Best, ~Hugh On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:41 PM, cyclotourist wrote: > Occasionally... > > -- > Cheers, > David > > "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a t

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Occasionally... -- Cheers, David "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+

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Wait a gosh darn second...aren't they one in the same. Best, ~Hugh On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:37 PM, cyclotourist wrote: > Do as I say, not as I do... > > On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham wrote: > > Right Mr. Bike of the Month club Rat-a-tat! > > > > Best, > > > > ~Hugh > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013

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Do as I say, not as I do... On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham wrote: > Right Mr. Bike of the Month club Rat-a-tat! > > Best, > > ~Hugh > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:52 PM, cyclotourist > wrote: > >> Well, I suppose... >> >> On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham wrote: >> > But there's nothing wrong with having anot

Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

Right Mr. Bike of the Month club Rat-a-tat! Best, ~Hugh On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:52 PM, cyclotourist wrote: > Well, I suppose... > > On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham wrote: > > But there's nothing wrong with having another bike right. > > > > Best, > > > > ~Hugh > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:

Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

Well, I suppose... On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham wrote: > But there's nothing wrong with having another bike right. > > Best, > > ~Hugh > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:20 PM, cyclotourist > wrote: > >> +1 on having a second wheelset. Much less expensive than having a second >> bike! >> >> >> >> On 12/

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But there's nothing wrong with having another bike right. Best, ~Hugh On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:20 PM, cyclotourist wrote: > +1 on having a second wheelset. Much less expensive than having a second > bike! > > > > On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham wrote: > > Bill, > > > > I can't for certain say what

Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

+1 on having a second wheelset. Much less expensive than having a second bike! On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham wrote: > Bill, > > I can't for certain say what caused the slash in my tire, if I were to > surmise I'd say it was a sharp rock which exposed the tube that later blew > out when I rolled over

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Great field repair! I gotta remember that for the future. Best, ~Hugh On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Iron Rider <1000...@gmail.com> wrote: > I had major sidewall blowout with the GB lierre: > http://eprider.blogspot.com/2013/06/images-from-catskill-600k.html I > won't be buying that tire aga

Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

Bill, I can't for certain say what caused the slash in my tire, if I were to surmise I'd say it was a sharp rock which exposed the tube that later blew out when I rolled over something that wouldn't necessarily slash the tire but easily punctured the tube or the original slash also slashed the tub

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11 miles to Suffern' LOL. Great picture. On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Iron Rider <1000...@gmail.com> wrote: > I had major sidewall blowout with the GB lierre: > http://eprider.blogspot.com/2013/06/images-from-catskill-600k.html I > won't be buying that tire again. > > > -- > You received

[RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

It's always a bummer when you cut an expensive tire, especially when it's fairly new. Maybe I'm reckless, but I think of tire cuts as EXTREMELY rare events. Moreover, the things that I've run over to badly cut a tire in my ~35 years of cycling usually would have cut ANY tire (once, a thick nai

Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

Yes, they do make Nifty Swifties in 650b, I have a set on my bike now... http://www.ebikestop.com/panaracer_nifty_swifty_650b_x_328mm_blacktan_steel-TR2322.php On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Hugh Smitham wrote: > Bruce do they make Nifty-Swifties in 650b? I don't think so. > > Best, > > ~Hug

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I commute on Soma Xpress 650b tires. They have a puncture resistant belt that makes them tougher, but I like the ride on them. They are not Pari Moto tires, but much more durable! Toshi On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com> wrote: > Nice blog… bummer about the

[RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

Nice blog… bummer about the tires. Good luck in the search.--Smitty On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:01:12 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote: > > I had a little experience around dusk. Read about it > here > . > > ~Hugh > -- You received this message because you

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I had major sidewall blowout with the GB lierre: http://eprider.blogspot.com/2013/06/images-from-catskill-600k.html I won't be buying that tire again. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and sto

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Those rules are great. I will have to keep a copy in my hat until I have them memorized. Jim D. Massachusetts On Friday, November 29, 2013 7:52:03 PM UTC-5, Mike wrote: > > Did someone say rules? > > http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/ > > --mike > > On Friday, November 29, 2013 4:33

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You know it. Best, ~Hugh On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:38 PM, David Yu Greenblatt < david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > RBW Outlaw Bicycle Club One-Percenter For Life! > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote: > >> No way dude. I'm a frigging outlaw! >> On Nov 29, 2013 4:52

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RBW Outlaw Bicycle Club One-Percenter For Life! On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote: > No way dude. I'm a frigging outlaw! > On Nov 29, 2013 4:52 PM, "Mike" wrote: > >> Did someone say rules? >> >> http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/ >> >> --mike >> >> On Friday, November 29,

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No way dude. I'm a frigging outlaw! On Nov 29, 2013 4:52 PM, "Mike" wrote: > Did someone say rules? > > http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/ > > --mike > > On Friday, November 29, 2013 4:33:17 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote: > >> Exactly;-) >> >> Best, >> >> ~Hugh >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:24

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Did someone say rules? http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/ --mike On Friday, November 29, 2013 4:33:17 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote: > Exactly;-) > > Best, > > ~Hugh > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Deacon Patrick > > wrote: > >> Rules? >> >> With abandon, >> Patrick >> >> >> On Friday

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Exactly;-) Best, ~Hugh On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Rules? > > With abandon, > Patrick > > > On Friday, November 29, 2013 5:09:57 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: > >> Deacon of the Hinterlands...I love quiche and haven't run flat prevention >> yet but were in a new mille

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Rules? With abandon, Patrick On Friday, November 29, 2013 5:09:57 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: > > Deacon of the Hinterlands...I love quiche and haven't run flat prevention > yet but were in a new millennium so all those old rules just don't apply. > > Grin. > > Best, > > ~Hugh > > > On Fri, Nov 29

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Deacon of the Hinterlands...I love quiche and haven't run flat prevention yet but were in a new millennium so all those old rules just don't apply. Grin. Best, ~Hugh On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > You realize, of course, Hugh, that real men don't eat quiche or run

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You realize, of course, Hugh, that real men don't eat quiche or run tires with flat prevention. Since I love the Duremes, you know what that makes me. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, November 29, 2013 10:39:18 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: > > Chris, for your purpose I think they're fine. Fo

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Hugh, the Nifty Swifty is a 650b tire... http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/t102-10082.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+uns

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On Friday, November 29, 2013 9:40:30 AM UTC-8, Mike Schiller wrote: > > Hey Hugh, the Conti Tour Rides in 650B might be a good mixed surface > tire. The new 650B Big Ben's are probably going to be too big. Marked a > 584-50 they probably will be around 45-46 mm wide. > > Hugh, I was ju

[RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

Hey Hugh, the Conti Tour Rides in 650B might be a good mixed surface tire. The new 650B Big Ben's are probably going to be too big. Marked a 584-50 they probably will be around 45-46 mm wide. Or it could be that it's just the cream colored Hetres that are delicate. ;^) ~mike On Wednesday

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Chris, for your purpose I think they're fine. For me I think they're a bit limited as I like the freedom of running off road on a whim. But glad they work for you. Best, ~Hugh On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Chris Cullum wrote: > I think it really depends on the terrain. Jan mentions that GB

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I think it really depends on the terrain. Jan mentions that GB tires are just not appropriate for jagged rocky terrain like shale for example. I have been really happy with mine. I'm at over 10,000km on a set on all manner of rough terrain, wet commuting etc. Very few flats too. This is definit

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Can someone tell me if the Lierre have a beefier casing than the Hetres? Maybe shoot a pic? Chris H. I don't think the Soma's are going to anymore slash resistant than the Hetres. I plan on looking at some more Schwalbe tires perhaps the Marathon Pluses? Tires are the Holy Grail in the bike comm

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Patrick I have a set of BA's ready to go for the Atlantis can't wait to give em a go...heard lots of good things about them. Also going to experiment with the Stan's though that won't help with slashes. Best, ~Hugh On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > Generally but not alwa

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Mike I think gravel is different then sharp granitic rocks, I toured on them with the same weight down the California coast no problem. Have your friend come out here and run them on some of our trails no extra weight needed. YMMV. Best, ~Hugh On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 4:02 AM, mikel66...@juno.co

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Bruce do they make Nifty-Swifties in 650b? I don't think so. Best, ~Hugh On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Bruce Herbitter wrote: > RBW Nifty-Swifties are reliable, if not quite "light." > > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Michael wrote: > >> Glad you are not hurt (your are ok?). >>> >> >>

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Michael, I'm fine thanks, just a little pocket book injury those tires are $68 + shipping. I've run the Marathons and had a flat but never a slash...the Rumpkins have a super thick casing and decent side wall, IIRC they rolled fairly well. I'll get a better feel tomorrow as I'll have a post thanks

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> @ StevePalincsar: > Hetres are not puncture protected tires, like Marathons, Swiftys, Gatorskins, etc, are. So, being a usual rider of puncture protected tires, I feel a little insecure on tires like Hetres that are just rubber with no puncture protection on them. I like having puncture pro

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Agreed, to a point. But I was just remarking to myself the other day how nicely the Kojaks (559X1.35") felt compared to the 622X29 Parigi Roubaix on the Ram. Sure, the PR feel better; what surprises me is how *close* the Kojaks are. I can't speak about the GB ELs. On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 8:52 AM

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I am a Big Ben evangelist now. Maybe I am lucky to not be sensitive enough to notice if a tire is slow. I say this, because the Big Ben is surprisingly huge while to me it feels efficient on pavement. Maybe I'm blinded to all details, because I like my Hunq so much. -Jim Sent from my iPhone O

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In my search for 650b tires, I had read that the Lierres have a habit of picking up gravel between the tread -- more so than Col de la Vies. Have you tried the Soma tires? I abandoned a well worn ('supple') set of CdVs for some reflective and sturdy (reliable) Marathons. It is a trade spac

Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

I've had and liked Kojaks. The ride does not compare to Grand Bois Extra Legers or Challenge Paris-Roubaix. On Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:05:36 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Generally but not always true. Schwalbe models somehow are comfortable > while being sturdy; I am thinking of th

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Generally but not always true. Schwalbe models somehow are comfortable while being sturdy; I am thinking of the Big Apple (60 mm) and the Kojak (~35 mm). Perhaps they design even belted tires with supple sidewalls. On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Matthew J wrote: > The sturdier tires get, the

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Left out the 'not' between 'yet' and 'any'. On Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:49:46 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: > > The sturdier tires get, the less comfortable they are. Quite the dilemma, > and one to which there is yet any easy solution. > > On Thursday, November 28, 2013 7:10:22 AM UTC-6, St

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The sturdier tires get, the less comfortable they are. Quite the dilemma, and one to which there is yet any easy solution. On Thursday, November 28, 2013 7:10:22 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 11/28/2013 12:12 AM, Michael wrote: > > I have Hetres on my Bleriot but haven't really done

Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

On 11/28/2013 12:12 AM, Michael wrote: I have Hetres on my Bleriot but haven't really done any commuting on them. I was gonna put them on my Sam (full time bike now). But I mentally just can't get past having only rubber and a liner between the tube and the road. What else would you expect? S

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my friends' Saluki with Hertres has toured the C & O towpath and The Katy Trail, both gravel roads, and has experienced zero flats in over 500 milesand thats with about 50 pounds of gear plus rider mike goldman warwick,r.i. Do THIS

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RBW Nifty-Swifties are reliable, if not quite "light." On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Michael wrote: > Glad you are not hurt (your are ok?). >> > > I have Hetres on my Bleriot but haven't really done any commuting on them. > I was gonna put them on my Sam (full time bike now). > But I mental

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Michael, I have a set of the "Force Field Rumpkin's" and are now on the Hilsen :-) I ran them for a while then went back to the Hetres and loved how fast they were, but here in the foothills of the San Gabriel Mountains they're truly under-biking...I've heard folks say they're great for gravel so

[RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

> > Or, the GB Lierre. That looks like it has a thicker tread on it than the > Hetre. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+un

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> > Glad you are not hurt (your are ok?). > I have Hetres on my Bleriot but haven't really done any commuting on them. I was gonna put them on my Sam (full time bike now). But I mentally just can't get past having only rubber and a liner between the tube and the road. And I definitely would not