[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread Patrick in VT
On Dec 11, 2:04 pm, JoelMatthews wrote: > A forward facing horizontal drop out is meant for > derailers.  Whatever you want to call the rear facing thingy, it is > not. FYI - on this bombadil, the track end has a derailer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gr

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread JoelMatthews
> AFAIK, there are forward-facing horizontal drop-outs, and rear-facing > horizontal dropouts. But then you either have to type in the rather awkward 'forward-facing or rear-facing' descriptive or be completely confusing. The two are quite different. A forward facing horizontal drop out is mean

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread newenglandbike
On Dec 11, 1:36 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > Those rear-facing horizontal dropouts are known as "track ends".   Just to be clear, I was not disagreeing that they are known (on track bikes) as 'track ends', I was only pointing out that it is not incorrect to refer to them as horizontal drop-o

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread newenglandbike
On Dec 11, 1:35 pm, Bill Connell wrote: > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM, newenglandbike > > Nope, those are fork-ends. > AASHTA:http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_dr-z.html#dropout > > -- > Bill "missing Sheldon" Connell > St. Paul, MN All due respect to Sheldon Brown, but on a BMX bike th

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread newenglandbike
On Dec 11, 1:36 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 10:30 -0800, newenglandbike wrote: > > They look a lot like the drop-outs on my BMX bike, which certainly > > aren't 'track fork ends' :)    Why call them track-ends here?   Plus, > > they *are* horizontal, right?    AFAIK, there

Re: [RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 10:30 -0800, newenglandbike wrote: > They look a lot like the drop-outs on my BMX bike, which certainly > aren't 'track fork ends' :)Why call them track-ends here? Plus, > they *are* horizontal, right?AFAIK, there are forward-facing > horizontal drop-outs, and rear-

Re: [RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread Bill Connell
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM, newenglandbike wrote: > > On Dec 11, 12:47 pm, JoelMatthews wrote: >> > Don't know if many of you folks have seen this yet, but there is a >> > Bombadil frame set for sale on the Bay with HORIZONTAL drop outs!  Very >> > interesting. >> >> I thought those were

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread newenglandbike
On Dec 11, 12:47 pm, JoelMatthews wrote: > > Don't know if many of you folks have seen this yet, but there is a Bombadil > > frame set for sale on the Bay with HORIZONTAL drop outs!  Very interesting. > > I thought those were called track fork ends. > > Horizontal dropouts are those such as the

Re: [RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread Bill Connell
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:50 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: >> With the apparent popularity of the Atlantis frame as the basis of an >> "all-rounder" type bicycle, I wonder why Grant doesn't source it >> domestically. > > That is a good question which has been debated off and on here > before.  I think

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread Mike
While it's sad to see the Atlantis go to sleep, I am excited about this new model. I hope the replacement to the Atlantis keeps the more traditional look of the Atlantis although I think Grant has hinted that it'll have a sloping TT. The Sam Hillbornes were a pretty severe departure in design for R

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread JoelMatthews
> With the apparent popularity of the Atlantis frame as the basis of an > "all-rounder" type bicycle, I wonder why Grant doesn't source it > domestically. That is a good question which has been debated off and on here before. I think Waterford either does not have capacity with everything else it

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread JoelMatthews
> Don't know if many of you folks have seen this yet, but there is a Bombadil > frame set for sale on the Bay with HORIZONTAL drop outs! Very interesting. I thought those were called track fork ends. Horizontal dropouts are those such as the Campy 1010 that you find on traditional steel road ra

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread Jim Cloud
With the apparent popularity of the Atlantis frame as the basis of an "all-rounder" type bicycle, I wonder why Grant doesn't source it domestically. Rivendell still uses Waterford to produce the Rodeo, unless there is a capacity issue it seems that Waterford might also be a good U.S. source for th

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread newenglandbike
Dang, that *is* pretty cool.I feel bad for the seller, it looks like he's put a lot of dough into that thing. On Dec 11, 11:21 am, Ray Shine wrote: > Don't know if many of you folks have seen this yet, but there is a Bombadil > frame set for sale on the Bay with HORIZONTAL drop outs!  Very i

Re: [RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I could live with TCO for a Riv offroader; basically I've been looking for a road bike that will take 65s plus fenders. I've been told onlist that the Bombadil won't take 60s; was I told wrong? -- Not that I expect Riv to design for my particular idiosyncracies, but it *would* be nice for me ...

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread newenglandbike
On Dec 11, 10:06 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Grant: please make the Atlantis replacement with enough tire clearance for > 60s plus fenders. Horizontals would be nice, but I won't insist. > Horizontal DO's might be good but for tire clearance, at what point would this bike be a straight-up mount