Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

I've found I prefer higher (~68mm drop) BBs and shorter (430mm) stays. Just seems to work better for me better than the long/low aesthetic. It may be in my head of course, but definitely hasn't lead to doom and gloom on rides! :-) On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Kainalu wrote: > Yeah, I was jus

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Yeah, I was just nervous after reading Mitch's post relating Steve's recollection of Jan's opinion regarding this golden mean. Then I relaxed my mind with thoughts of scraping pedals. The most relevant takeaway- "Whether this is arbitrary or really results in the most pleasant handling bike rema

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

"that they say it has little to do with bike handling and stability is to say it has something to do with it, however slight. Right? " Yes. Bottom Bracket height had something to do with it, just not all that much. I was disagreeing with your previous speculation that BB height "is as big a f

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Hmmm.. no more stable would be a bold statement, but that they say it has little to do with bike handling and stability is to say it has something to do with it, however slight. Right? So, maybe the importance of hitting that sweet spot in tire size is overblown about as much as the importance o

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

I just put the EX version on my S.H. They don't seem any larger than the 38mm Little Big Ben's that were on there. Looking forward to the inaugural ride. -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

IMO, no. Bottom Bracket height has been shown by some of the deepest thinkers about bikes to have very little to do with actual stability on the bike. Grant likes low BB because it makes it far easier to get the bars up. Low BBs get you the risk of pedal strike when you use small diameter ti

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

The Barlow Pass measurement should read 35mm @ 40 PSI On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 9:50:45 AM UTC-8, Mitch Browne wrote: > > For comparison I mounted a 700c x 38 Barlow pass on a Mavic A719 rim > and added measurement to findings below: > > Month old Barlow Pass 35mm @ 50 PSI > New SL reads

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

For comparison I mounted a 700c x 38 Barlow pass on a Mavic A719 rim and added measurement to findings below: Month old Barlow Pass 35mm @ 50 PSI New SL reads 37.4 mm @ 41.4 PSI One week old EX reads 40 mm @ 41.2 PSI I won't have a chance to ride around but On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Danie

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Bottom bracket height is as big a factor to this sweet spot as anything, yes? Presumably Rivendell bikes and similarly low bottomed machines give us the tools to go extra puffed? -Kai Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" g

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

> Received Soma SL's this afternoon. I now have an SL on front and EX on > rear both mounted on Velocity Dyad rims. > > New SL reads 37.4 mm @ 41.4 PSI > One week old EX reads 40 mm @ 41.2 PSI > > I won't have a chance to ride around but as expected the SL tread feels > similar to the Compass B

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

I've taken the EX version of this tire on the dirt and paved roads of northern VT over the last month. About 50 miles on class 4 road, 200 miles on maintained dirt/gravel, and 200 miles on pavement I'm 175 lbs. Ive settled on front at 35 PSI and rear at 45 PSI. Take following assessment with a

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

On 11/05/2015 05:40 PM, ant ritchey wrote: Just slapped a pair of the lighter versions (whatever they're called) on my Hilsen. Pumped 'em to 80 (they are 75 max) Why??? and picked up a pretty little shard of brown glass exactly 2.5 blocks from my house! Will report back soon enough, ho

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And if you could report actual width as well I appreciate that. David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

80, holy smokes! If you would entertain a request, could you also report back how they feel at 30 or 40 psi? These are the Supple Vitesse EX tires, yes? On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:40 PM, ant ritchey wrote: > Just slapped a pair of the lighter versions (whatever they're called) on > my Hilsen. > >

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Just slapped a pair of the lighter versions (whatever they're called) on my Hilsen. Pumped 'em to 80 (they are 75 max) and picked up a pretty little shard of brown glass exactly 2.5 blocks from my house! Will report back soon enough, hopefully. On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 3:28:01 PM UTC-8,

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

There was a lot of pleading and whining on the mailing lists asking for wide 700Cs. I think that pleading finally won Jan over. On 11/02/2015 06:18 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: I'm surprised Compass even went to 38, never mind 42. Jan's theory has been that whatever the whe

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

I'm surprised Compass even went to 38, never mind 42. Jan's theory has been that whatever the wheel size, there is an optimum sweet spot for plushness, speed, handling, and it so happens that when you measure wheel plus tire, the total circumference is almost equal. I think it is something like

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

The last time Soma offered it's 700x38mm C-Line, Compass was not far behind to offer it's own 700x38mm. I hope the same thing will happen this time. ... and if not, it's worth asking again. Jan, could you please make a Compass 700x42mm tire for us to purchase? :) -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Thanks Mitch, I have the Compass Barlow Pass EL tires on my Hunq at home, and was curious how these would differ. John On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 10:31:38 AM UTC-8, Mitch Browne wrote: > > I have tried both Compass EL and Soma EX 700c tires in recent weeks > and find the Compass fee

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

I have tried both Compass EL and Soma EX 700c tires in recent weeks and find the Compass feels much more plush. I believe the difference between casings between the two have been discussed in recent threads. I do find the Soma sidewalls to be a little more stiff. I have a set of Soma SL tires (ins

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Has anyone tried these yet? My pair of Soma Vitesse extra wear tread just arrived at my office. John On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 7:26:25 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: > > https://instagram.com/p/8mMR3jotbY/ > > Check out these new tires that just dropped from Soma! This is what I've > been wa

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Posted the following on the iBOB thread: Took the EX version of this tire on the dirt roads of northern VT today. About 7 miles on class 4 road and 10 miles on maintained dirt/gravel. I'm 175 lbs. After about 5 miles settled on Front at 35 PSI and rear at 45 PSI. I'll take some photos of the t

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Thanks for the feedback Luke. Beautiful build. Great to see you did the PR. Tail Winds, ~Hugh On Oct 14, 2015 9:06 AM, "lukeheller" wrote: > Oh yeah, it shimmys with or without the saddle bag by the way. But I put a > lot of effort into front loading that bike to reduce shimmy. I only use a > s

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Oh yeah, it shimmys with or without the saddle bag by the way. But I put a lot of effort into front loading that bike to reduce shimmy. I only use a saddle bag on it for 1200's or unsupported 600kms. On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-4, lukeheller wrote: > > This custom 700c NFE

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Further derailment and all that... I've ridden Parigi-Roubaix for as long as Will, as well as Eroica/Strada Bianca the past 3-4yrs. Not nearly as many miles as Will, but I also never had even a whiff of tread delamination. However, my first/only pair of Alamanzo started getting edge peels afte

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Tempting. I really liked the Sea Lions but they recently wore out. Back on Schwalbe for a while now but have zero tire inventory for the first time in a long time. H.. dougP On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 7:26:25 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: > > https://instagram.com/p/8mMR3jotbY/ > >

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Just by chance, I was stripping the tread off a dead Parigi-Roubaix yesterday, to recycle as sidewall patches/boots for other tires. Another rider on a group ride flatted out, and I shocked the crowd by producing not just a spare, but a *nice* spare (GB Cerf), so the rider could finish the rout

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Dear Ron, veering off-topic, but I've gone through thirty-five Parigi-Roubaix, Strada Blanca, and Eroica tires since 2008. None have delaminated. Their older (tubulars) had problems occasionally, as did Clement, FMB, and (rarely) Vittoria tubulars. Best, Will William M. deRosset Fort Collins,

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Mike, This was relayed to me second hand. But loaded in front too high I'll get shimmy on my Hilsen. I had some disbelief regarding the NFE and shimmy considering it has a low trail fork. Some more feedback is obviously required by other NFE owners. ~Hugh “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Shimmy on an NFE?... I'd like to see that bike and how it's loaded/built. My Matthews uses similar tubing ( 8/5/8 OS) and geometry as the NFE and I don't get any shimmy at all. The NFE has a similar tubeset to a Hilsen BTW. So either they have too much weight up high or something else is g

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

So yes!! I've been thinking on these same lines. I like the Elephant NFE but have heard even with the low trail fork there's some shimmy. Never ridden one myself. I love the idea of a bike with a light tube set capable of running 42mm+ CX & slick tires. I suppose some are calling it a monster

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

I think the Elephant NFE looks like a fabulous bike that I would enjoy riding but not with this particular 700x42 tire. The custom Rivendell I was describing was a road bike wrapped perfectly around this particular 700x42 tire that you introduced in your OP. It wouldn't be the first time I bo

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Don't want to derail the thread, and I've heard the Challenge complaints in 3 forums, but have never experienced the problem with Challenge tires on (and off) 5 bikes for up to 7 years and well over 10,000 miles. Also Vittoria hand-glued tires, which are great, but have short rubber life. On

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

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If you do that, order one for me, too... rod On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 1:15:51 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > If you forced me to order a Custom Rivendell today, I would order a > roadish Riv with Roadeo tubing (the lightest GP is comfortable with using > for me). It would have a geomet

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

They did try with the C-Lines, but the Barlows showed up almost immediately thereafter. I ended up with a pair of each, along with a pair of Resist Nomads and a pair of Vittoria Randonneur Hypers. I'm not sure what came over me... Mounted the Barlows, and never looked back. rod On Friday, Octo

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

So basically the Elephant NFE frame, unless you were partial to 700c and canti brakes I guess. Pretty much what you're describing though, isn't it? But I guess with that trademark Riv-ish flair :) On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Will wrote: > I think that is the missing bike in Riv's lineup. Som

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

I think that is the missing bike in Riv's lineup. Something roady with a reasonably compliant tubeset, spec'd for 50s plus fenders. The thing I'd add to your wish-list is wire guides on the right fork blade for a dynamo. Speaking of dynamos... it'd be nice if Riv would develop a best-value ligh

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

I'd be wary of hand glued. I"ve had at least 10 pairs of challenge CX tires and most of them had the tread peel off the casing in short order. Being active in the CX scene here, I've seen MANY other challenge tires fail from the tread coming off. Some times on the first ride. That might be a Ch

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

the Challenge are also hand-glued tires. I'm thinking the Somas will be vulcanized tires with fine casings. If they're hand-glued, they would be pretty amazing tires, IMO. On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 11:57:04 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: > > With Challenge, the open tubular means t

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

If you forced me to order a Custom Rivendell today, I would order a roadish Riv with Roadeo tubing (the lightest GP is comfortable with using for me). It would have a geometry almost identical to my 56cm Hillborne (135mm rear, cantilever brakes, single TT, sloping TT). It would have Riv "batw

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

With Challenge, the open tubular means the tires are super flat. They're great when mounted, but a bit of a bear to get mounted! On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 7:44:13 AM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote: > > These look great! Hopefully they won't be $80 a piece .. > > What does "tubular casing" mean? Like,

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

"They're in stock as of this morning. They'll pop up on the store in a day or two, but savvy purchasers can call ahead and reserve some before the rabble cotton on." - distributed via Merry Sales exclusively for the time being. So visit your LBS and get them to call their Merry rep and you shoi

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

On the Instagram post I think it mentioned that they'll be in the catalogue for ordering today On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-5, John Phillips wrote: > > Has there been any mention yet about when these will be available for > purchase? > > John > > On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 7:

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Has there been any mention yet about when these will be available for purchase? John On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 7:26:25 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: > > https://instagram.com/p/8mMR3jotbY/ > > Check out these new tires that just dropped from Soma! This is what I've > been waiting for on my A

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

I think it's smart for the whole industry to move in that direction. Yesterday I met a roadie rolling 35mm tires. On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 11:35:10 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > That's a smart move by Soma to jump into the gap that is currently not > covered by Compass. > > Bill Li

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

That's a smart move by Soma to jump into the gap that is currently not covered by Compass. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 7:26:25 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: > > https://instagram.com/p/8mMR3jotbY/ > > Check out these new tires that just dropped from Soma! This is w

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

This is awesome! Now make a 45 or 48 too -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Yeah me too. I have the 38's with less than 50km on them at this point but really wanted something closer to the rock n' road width, but light and slick. Snow is around the corner here anyway, I guess I can wait... On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Mitch Browne wrote: > I'd guess $79.99 in the pr

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

I'd guess $79.99 in the prevailing tire cartel price. Rats, recently installed the Compass 700c x 38 Barlow Pass on my Atlantis. I like them but 42 is what I prefer. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from t

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Here's a close look at the treat pattern: http://www.therubbishbin.net/post/130782119403 On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 10:28:27 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: > > I enjoy the little Japanese flag on the sidewall. Cute! > > KJ > > > On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote: >>

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

I enjoy the little Japanese flag on the sidewall. Cute! KJ On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote: > > Yes, they are clinchers. Challenge uses the same terminology, which is a > bit confusing at first. It typically means it's the same casing as used on > their tubul

Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

Yes, they are clinchers. Challenge uses the same terminology, which is a bit confusing at first. It typically means it's the same casing as used on their tubulars, which tends to be very supple and light On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Kieran J wrote: > These look great! Hopefully they won't be

[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

These look great! Hopefully they won't be $80 a piece .. What does "tubular casing" mean? Like, 'open tubular' aka clincher? KJ On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 10:26:25 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote: > > https://instagram.com/p/8mMR3jotbY/ > > Check out these new tires that just dropped from Soma!