[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-10 Thread masmojo
For what it's worth, I have assembled almost every bike I own (which is a fair number) & in my late teens I worked in a bike shop, so I probably built a hundred or so bike during my stint there, but my Clementine was by far the most difficult I ever had to deal with. A myriad of small little

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-10 Thread Joe Bernard
Oh yeah, dropping the rear wheel out involves removing the nut on the skewer because it gets stuck between the derailer and Breezer-style dropout. The Clem/Clementine look and ride great, but they're definitely a challenge to fiddle with until you know your way around them. I'm learning fast!

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-10 Thread David Banzer
As I've been locking up my Clem around town, I added a security-type skewer to the rear wheel as the quick release was kind of a pain. Works better than a quick release IMO with the dropout. David Chicago On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 12:09:34 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Oh yeah,

Re: [RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread Ron Mc
this - use longer M5 with nylock on the other side, or a star lock washer with a half (thickness) nut On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 7:30:33 AM UTC-6, mike goldman wrote: > > or use a nut/washer on the inside end

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread Bryan Pizzillo
Did you use an M6 screw? I had the same issue attempting to mount a different rack to my Clem as the screws were M5s. The M5s some what held, but it was really just paint holding them in. On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 8:16:43 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Whelp, I installed my Pletscher

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread Joe Bernard
It makes sense, but I already used the metal plate on the inside of the braze-ons. I tried to visualize attaching both struts directly without the plate, but it looked like too much unnecessary gymnastics. It's all good now, I just wish I could have seen instructions for this model when I

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread iamkeith
Sounds like you've got this figured out, Joe, but here are a couple of notes from my own experience mounting the Clem/Pletscher rack to my Clem frame, in case it helps others, or in case you want to experiment further: 1. I've so far opted for the biggest tires I can fit, on my 59/700c frame

Re: [RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread mikel66...@juno.com
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[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread Deacon Patrick
M5 bolts are required. The rack comes with M4? With abandon, Patrick On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:16:43 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Whelp, I installed my Pletscher rack last night, and the right rear bolt > went in, but got loose before bottoming out. I was able to keep everything >

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread Jeffrey Marco
re tap with the next size up? On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 8:16:43 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Whelp, I installed my Pletscher rack last night, and the right rear bolt > went in, but got loose before bottoming out. I was able to keep everything > connected by backing it out a smidge, but

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread Bill Lindsay
I don't think I have seen an M6 on a dropout before either. I think it's a cute idea, and allows you to use a stronger bolt for some applications if you want to do that, but it is bound to cause some confusion. It wouldn't be Rivendell if you weren't a little bit bewildered every once in a

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread Tony DeFilippo
Same issue with my wife's clementine... Liberal paint was an understatement. My first bolt sheared off in the braze on, then I sheared off a drill bit trying to drill it out... You can imagine what the audio was like in my garage. I contacted Riv and their advice was to chase all the threads

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread Mark Reimer
My Atlantis has a totally stripped front rack eyelet as well. No problem. I just use a longer bolt and put a flat washer and nylon lock nut on the back side. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's a stronger connection than the stock setup! On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-6, masmojo

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread Joe Bernard
Ugh, I give up kids. I switched to the lower M5 eyelet, which had the rack to far away for the upper struts to reach seatstay eyelets. So I found a couple M6 bolts and tried the original location. This caused the flat steel lower mounting plate to interfere with the Breezer-style dropout, also

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread Bill Lindsay
How about the ones about one or maybe two inches up from the dropouts? The lowest ones brazed on to the seat stays. Those are M5, and should give you no interference problems with the flat plate of the clem rack, and should allow the struts to reach easily. On Monday, February 8, 2016 at

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread Joe Bernard
Ok, I'm working on the other M6 mounts right now. It's looking good. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
I feel your pain. I spent the better part of a day dealing with front and rear rackage on my Clementine, some details of which can be found in my mega post, My Darling Clementine: A Saga. There are three sets of braze-ons that can technically be used to install the bottom portion of a

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread Joe Bernard
The deed is done now, but that little adventure kinda sucked. I've mounted lots of racks, and never had these problems before. I'm glad it's solved now, but I'm not thrilled to have marked up the rear dropouts on my brand new bike. Time to find BRG touch-up paint... Thanks for all your help,

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
By "not long enough," I mean not long enough to span distance created by the long chainstays; those lower seatstay braze-ons are quite a bit forward of the drop-out braze-ons. And here you can sort of see what I mean about the interference when the two braze-ons are stacked (though a better

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread Joe Bernard
I test-fitted that idea and ended up with the opposite problem: the rack was too high and close. I just found a couple of frame clamps which drop in between those two positions, so we'll see how it goes. It seems silly to need clamps on a frame with braze-ons all over the place, but I have the

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread Bill Lindsay
Yikes. Call Mark and let him tell you the best way to do it. I'd file an edge off the flat part of the Pletscher rack before resorting to clamps. In fact, I'd never use clamps to mount the lower legs of a rear rack. That's what takes ALL the load. Clamps up top to stabilize is OK, but not

[RBW] Re: Stripped CLEM dropout braze-on

2016-02-08 Thread Bryan Pizzillo
Try mounting it on the braze ons higher up on the seat stays. Those are actually M6 as well. That is where I mounted a Nitto Mt Campee, albeit I had to mount it to the inside, but it was no biggie. I also found when attempting to use M5 bolts and jury rigging on the dropouts that the