[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-07-03 Thread JoelMatthews
I guess I never got around to reading the article. GP does discount TT length, although not in favor of stand over. He focuses on seat tube angle, saddle and handlebar height. I remain unconvinced that stand over is a more significant measure than TT. I put 60 Big Apples on a bike that is alr

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-07-03 Thread Aaron Thomas
For those who may have missed it, there was an article in the last Rivendell Reader on the subject of top tube length with some useful explanatory illustrations. On Jul 3, 7:25 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > It's not quite that simple. Since head tube and seat tube angles vary, > it's

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-07-03 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
It's not quite that simple. Since head tube and seat tube angles vary, it's possible to have, say, a longer TT on a certain bike, yet have a shorter/easier reach to the handlebars, or vice versa. On a custom bike I received awhile back, I asked that the TT be a tiny bit shorter than that on my Atl

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-07-03 Thread JoelMatthews
> This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a > bike by the length of the top tube? While I suppose there is some value to stand over height, TT length by far is more important. For the most part when using a bike, the rider is not standing but rather reaching f

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-07-03 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Buy one size down on the Cross-Check. The standover clearance in any given size is less generous than it would be on a Riv of the same size (higher BB, different measuring scheme, etc) However, I would encourage you to add couplers to a Riv. The Traveler's Check is a nice deal, but it's easier to

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-07-03 Thread GeorgeS
I ride a Rambouillet and a Traveler's Check. They're both good bikes and they are approximately the same size. I ride a 56cm frame and when I bought the Surly I ordered the closesst frame to that size: BB to top of seat tube. This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-07-02 Thread Dan Abelson
I have a 54cm Quickbeam and ride a 52cm Crosscheck. The top tube feels a bit shorter on the Crosscheck but both fit. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahnd wrote: > For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or > Travelers Check, what are the sizing difference

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-07-01 Thread Jay Sinn
Riv builds a bike around and individual, I suspect , taking into account the torso. With a Surly you try to fit yourself around the bike. I used similar PBH ideas to match myself to a Surly K.M. only in inches. My PBH is right at 32 until I add shoes which makes it about 32 1/2. I *should* have go

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-06-30 Thread rwanda
Hi, I have a CC 58cm and also a Bleriot 59cm...the Surly has a bit longer TT and also surprisingly is taller than the Bleriot even though the specs say this should be reversed.For me the main difference is handlebar riseI am using the fork without the stem cut...and still it feels short t

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-06-30 Thread Christopher Paul
Why not couple your Ram? Speed and All day comfort. The Surely can't hold a candle imho. Cheers, Chris P.S. I want to thank whoever directed me to the Hubbub.com web site for the Mixing Components question. My LBS tried to sell me on a more costly and less desirable 10 speed Campagnolo solution

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-06-30 Thread rcnute
I had a 54 cm CC that seemed to work. Had a 57 Bleriot and 58 Saluki. On Jun 30, 5:57 pm, EricP wrote: > Another one for TT sizing.  In fact, Eric of Surly told me that. > After seeing me ride a 62cm Cross Check.  Way too big for me.  Made it > work with Albatross bars. > > Eric Platt > St. Pau

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-06-30 Thread EricP
Another one for TT sizing. In fact, Eric of Surly told me that. After seeing me ride a 62cm Cross Check. Way too big for me. Made it work with Albatross bars. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 30, 7:50�pm, Bill Connell wrote: > I agree on the TT sizing. Also, if you can, buy it with the steerer

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-06-30 Thread Bill Connell
I agree on the TT sizing. Also, if you can, buy it with the steerer uncut so you can get the bars where you want them. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mike wrote: > > Hey Gino, like Jon say, size it by TT, not PBH. That's the answer > you're looking for. Good luc

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-06-30 Thread Mike
Hey Gino, like Jon say, size it by TT, not PBH. That's the answer you're looking for. Good luck. Did you see that Gunnar now makes a touring bike? On Jun 30, 5:37 pm, Mike wrote: > I have a 60cm CC and a 62cm Rambouillet and 63cm Hilsen. The 60cm > Surly feels a tad out of whack because the hea

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-06-30 Thread Mike
I have a 60cm CC and a 62cm Rambouillet and 63cm Hilsen. The 60cm Surly feels a tad out of whack because the head tube is short, making it difficult to get the bars at the right height. I did try a 62cm CC years ago and it felt way too big but that was before I had a Riv. I definitely wouldn't get

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-06-30 Thread Bill Connell
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahnd wrote: > For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or > Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? > > It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if > you know of any amazing secrets, p

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-06-30 Thread Gino Zahnd
Thanks Jon. Yeah, I don't want to get into the strengths and weaknesses. I know them. Just want to know the proper size. :-) On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Jon Cameron wrote: > > Hi Gino, > > I own and ride a 55cm Romulus, and a 55cm Bleriot and they fit and > ride beautifully for my five

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-06-30 Thread Jon Cameron
Hi Gino, I own and ride a 55cm Romulus, and a 55cm Bleriot and they fit and ride beautifully for my five foot six inch body with an 80cm PBH. I also own and ride a 52cm Surly cross check, and it too fits and rides very well. The various strengths and weaknesses of the products from both companie

[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question

2009-06-30 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Gino Zahnd wrote: > For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or > Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? > > It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if > you know of any amazing secrets, p