[RBW] Re: Tiller effect: could someone please explain?

2023-09-11 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Hi Jim, Maybe this blog post can help? https://crosscountrycycle.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/tiller-effect/ Good luck! shoji Arlington MA On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 9:58:43 AM UTC-4 J J wrote: > Hi, I have been really interested in the discussion on the thread "upright > bars: how does

[RBW] Re: Tiller effect: could someone please explain?

2023-09-11 Thread Mackenzy Albright
I associate tiller effect with wheel flop. Not sure if if that is correct. But I've only ever experienced negative effects of high swept back bars on a very raked out fork with a steep seat tube. I've never had any I'll effects on a low or mid trail bike with swept back bars. On Monday, Septem

[RBW] Re: Tiller effect: could someone please explain?

2023-09-11 Thread Garth
I call it the wheelbarrow effect myself, as that most aptly describes the sensation in a relatable way. Try pushing a wheelbarrow up a steep hill. hilarity ensues. Once you get knocked off your intended line, it's very difficult to move it back on track as the wheelbarrow just wants to go i

Re: [RBW] Re: Tiller effect: could someone please explain?

2023-09-11 Thread Richard Rose
Nearly 6,000 miles in on my Clem & nearly 1,000 on my Gus; said wheelbarrow effect (which I understand) does not exist. That said, neither is a racing bicycle. Thank goodness.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 11, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Garth wrote:I call it the wheelbarrow effect myself, as that most aptly de

Re: [RBW] Re: Tiller effect: could someone please explain?

2023-09-11 Thread Ted W
> Try pushing a wheelbarrow up a steep hill. hilarity ensues. Once you get knocked off your intended line, it's very difficult to move it back on track as the wheelbarrow just wants to go in the direction it was moved to go Thank you for describing it this way. You just described exactly how i

Re: [RBW] Re: Tiller effect: could someone please explain?

2023-09-11 Thread Johnny Alien
I am not a fan of the super long stems with wide sweptback bars. Super flexy and the long stem makes the forward positions unusable for me. I struggle a but with Riv's sizing suggestions. Get a frame thats oversized and then stick a really tall and long stem on it with sweptback bars. All of th

Re: [RBW] Re: Tiller effect: could someone please explain?

2023-09-11 Thread Johnny Alien
I also don't do really high bars via the stem or the bars themselves. The tosco is about the max I will do and enjoy. Otherwise I am in the choco/losco camp. Not much rise and no sweep forward. On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 3:28:41 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote: > I am not a fan of the super l

Re: [RBW] Re: Tiller effect: could someone please explain?

2023-09-11 Thread J J
Thanks to all of you for the responses, and Shoji and Garth for the additional information. Yes, the wheelbarrow effect. That's a great descriptive image. I have definitely experienced it with an actual wheelbarrow (super annoying and funny) and on a bike! But I've never experienced the wheel

Re: [RBW] Re: Tiller effect: could someone please explain?

2023-09-12 Thread Joe Bernard
On recumbents it's the weird sensation of steering a bicycle with zero weight on the front end; we're used to our weight slowing the steering down, on a 'bent you have to slow it down yourself by very lightly resting hands on the bar or it will wiggle all over the dang place. To a lesser degree

Re: [RBW] Re: Tiller effect: could someone please explain?

2023-09-12 Thread Richard Rose
This tiller effect would make riding no hands difficult, correct?Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 12, 2023, at 3:24 AM, Joe Bernard wrote:On recumbents it's the weird sensation of steering a bicycle with zero weight on the front end; we're used to our weight slowing the steering down, on a 'bent you hav