[RBW] Re: Tire noise, way OT

2014-05-15 Thread Michael Hechmer
It turns out the noise I am hearing is coming from a bad wheel bearing not the tire. Sorry for the confusion! Good news is that I already needed a brake job so it all has to be pulled apart anyway. Bad news is it has to get done before next weekends Canadian Tandem Rally in Kingston.

[RBW] Re: Tire noise, way OT

2014-05-15 Thread Evan Baird
I'm interested to know if there's an accurate way to quantify rolling resistance as it relates to tread directionality. It's always been my perception that horizontal ribs offer more traction but also create more drag vs. lateral ribs. My assumption is that on most Japanese tires at least the

[RBW] Re: Tire noise, way OT

2014-05-15 Thread Bill Lindsay
My Challenge Eroica tires are SPOOKY quiet on the road. I didn't notice tire noise until after I rode silent tires. I didn't necessarily think that made them faster (but they sure seem fast). My guess was that these Challenge tires are absolutely flat when you buy them. Particularly the

Re: [RBW] Re: Tire noise, way OT

2014-05-15 Thread Tim Gavin
My Grand Bois Lierre 650x38b tires are also very quiet on the road; with just a faint rubber squishing noise. They also were flat in the package, but I don't know if that corroborates their quietness. In both cases, it's probably a matter of supple rubber and a low-profile tread. Lately I've

[RBW] Re: Tire noise, way OT

2014-05-11 Thread ted
Per your results, a Nifty Swifty is ~3% slower than a Maxy Fasty, and wearing 1.3 mm of tread off a Rolly-Poly makes it ~2% faster. RBW describes the difference between their stronger and lighter tire variants (i.e. Nifty-Swify/Maxy-Fasty, Ruffy-Tuffy/Rolly-Poly, JB Blue/Green) as stronger

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2014-05-11 Thread Jan Heine
You are right, of course. Tread patterns and construction do affect rolling resistance - just look at the Col de la Vie tires which use the same casing as the Pasela, but the micro-knob pattern makes them significantly slower... It's just that unless you go to knobbies, the tread pattern isn't

[RBW] Re: Tire noise, way OT

2014-05-10 Thread Jan Heine
On Friday, May 9, 2014 3:02:01 PM UTC-7, ted wrote: without measuring the speed of tires with the same casing and varying treads I think declaring tread less significant than casing from a design standpoint is premature. You make a good point - you need good measurements before you make

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2014-05-10 Thread Benz, Sunnyvale, CA
True dat. My Compass 26 tires are noisy (they hum at speed) but they roll quite nicely. On Friday, May 9, 2014 11:41:30 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: Most of the analysis of rolling resistance for bicycle tires points at casing construction as a much more significant factor WRT rolling

[RBW] Re: Tire noise, way OT

2014-05-09 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Most of the analysis of rolling resistance for bicycle tires points at casing construction as a much more significant factor WRT rolling resistance. You can create sound without all that much energy loss, and part of it may be related to the audiological perception of the difference -

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2014-05-09 Thread dougP
I would expect your Prius tires to be lower rolling resistance, oriented toward fuel economy. On my Atlantis, I've run Schwalbe Marathon Supremes for years. The tread looks like Nike's swoosh and they are fairly noisy as slick-ish road tires go. A while back, I installed a pair of Soma

[RBW] Re: Tire noise, way OT

2014-05-09 Thread ted
If you include the rubber in your definition of casing. I am fairly sure research has shown that slick tires have less rolling resistance than tires with a modest tread (I can't speak to the size of the difference though). Similarly tread compound has been shown to have an impact. Tires with

Re: [RBW] Re: Tire noise, way OT

2014-05-09 Thread Peter Morgano
Noisy car tires can mean a front end out of alignment or wheel balancing issues. if its a new car under warranty have the dealer take a look at it. On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 3:49 PM, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote: If you include the rubber in your definition of casing. I am fairly sure

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2014-05-09 Thread Jan Heine
We didn't test the Jack Browns, but we did test the Nifty-Swifty and Maxy-Fasty, which are the same tires, only in 650B. The Nifty-Swifty was about 3% slower. However, compared to other tires, both were among the slower tires we tested, indicating that the casing has a much greater influence

Re: [RBW] Re: Tire noise, way OT

2014-05-09 Thread Patrick Moore
This is interesting and jibes (not jives) with my own admittedly limited experience, particularly with Schwalbe Kojaks and Big Apples. Both of these roll very surprisingly well given their puncture resistance and their puncture belts, but not quite as well as the unprotected Parigi Roubaix or

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2014-05-09 Thread ted
Jan, Most things are relative, and the law of diminishing returns tends to apply. Surely there are hysteresis losses in the flexing of tread material as it moves into and out of the contact patch, and also losses due to the casing. Their relative significance for a specific tire may be