On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 21:45 -0800, CycloFiend wrote:
> on 2/16/09 7:37 PM, Doug Peterson at dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
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> > After the centerpull brake, derailer & quick release, most everything else
> > has been refinement, as opposed to truly new technology. So STI & Ergo move
> > the shifting m
on 2/16/09 7:37 PM, Doug Peterson at dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
> After the centerpull brake, derailer & quick release, most everything else
> has been refinement, as opposed to truly new technology. So STI & Ergo move
> the shifting mechanism to a more convenient location, and modern drive
> trai
RBW] Re: Was (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System), now Riv is tech
modern
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 13:30 -0800, James Warren wrote:
> Chris,
> It's hard to tell specifically what you are referring to when you say
> "buying 30 year old technology" and "pay over $3k for it&quo
> Technological improvement is inevitable, regardless of the medium.
> Engineers will always engineer something better, even if we're talking
> about big wheels.
Actually, I recall a year or two back a runner from either Kenya or
Djbouti won some major marathons running bare foot.
Electric derai
Eh ben, dis donc! Je me tiens corrigé.
Bummer about the 26.0 thing though.
From: PATRICK MOORE
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:39:47 -0700
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Was (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System), now Riv is tech
modern
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Dustin Sharp wrote
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Dustin Sharp wrote:
> Those old-school handlebar bottle holders really make a lot of sense. I
> have a single style one that I bought from Harris Cyclery a while back, made
> by Minoura I think, and it works really well. I'm surprised Riv and Velo
> Orange haven
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:58:37 -0700
To:
Subject: [RBW] Re: Was (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System), now Riv is tech
modern
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 15:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
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>
>> > Now *that
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 15:44 -0800, Chris wrote:
> If that is the case, then ALL the guys on Astana would just as good as
> Lance or Levi since they all have the same bikes
In which case, the differences are due to the RIDER -- which is what I
said. So how's that a bad thing?
> Technological
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 15:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
>
> > Now *that* would make me start watching racing again: handicap the
> > good guys with bikes that the rest of us get from Goodwill. Heck, I'll
> > sponsor Lance and provide t
If that is the case, then ALL the guys on Astana would just as good as
Lance or Levi since they all have the same bikes
Technological improvement is inevitable, regardless of the medium.
Engineers will always engineer something better, even if we're talking
about big wheels. It sounds like if
> You could argue by pointing out that at one time they ISSUED the riders
> in the TdF identical bikes, so that the race would be about the rider
> and not the bike.
This captures why modern bike racing is of no interest to me.
Auto racing is probably 80% mechanics, 20% rider. As it should be.
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 15:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
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>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Palincsar
> wrote:
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> On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 13:54 -0800, Chris wrote:
>
> You could say, would anybody seriously argue that any Cat 1 or
> Cat 2
>
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 13:54 -0800, Chris wrote:
>
> You could say, would anybody seriously argue that any Cat 1 or Cat 2
> riding the best in pro-level equipment would stand a chance against a
> top pro rider on an entry level bike (or s
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 13:54 -0800, Chris wrote:
> Now, if you are a Cat 1 or 2 racer (or pro obviously), electric
> shifting might just give that little edge to get that last shift a
> second sooner to get across the line first. How can anyone argue this
> statement?
You could argue by pointing
James,
I didn't an AHH is 30 year old tech, but it you ask someone who is not
into Rivs or Riv-like bikes I'm pretty sure that would be thier
impression...
Now, to your comment here;
"By objective measures,
there is on average much less nuttiness in buying a $3k AHH than
there
is in buying a $3k
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 13:30 -0800, James Warren wrote:
> Chris,
> It's hard to tell specifically what you are referring to when you say
> "buying 30 year old technology" and "pay over $3k for it"
The bicycle is hundred year old technology.
> The Jack Brown tire, the Silver brake, the constr
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