[RBW] Re: Why slick tires don't stick well

2016-01-19 Thread Jan Heine
Thanks for posting your experience. I was mostly referring to behavior on pavement, but it's conceivable that the negative tread would help in mud. However, it seems to me that the grooves would clog up with mud pretty quickly. We should research this further, especially if we ever plan to

[RBW] Re: Why slick tires don't stick well

2016-01-18 Thread Ryan Ray
> > >- *“Negative” treads*, that just cut grooves into the tire, apparently >are inspired by car tires, where they help prevent hydroplaning. But even >very wide bicycle tires are too narrow for hydroplaning (and our speeds > are >too low, too). Perhaps a fatbike with slick

[RBW] Re: Why slick tires don't stick well

2016-01-17 Thread Evan Baird
Obviously removing material reduces the stiffness of the tires contact area, and allows it to deform around uneven surfaces. What I don't buy is the notion that there is a benefit to directional specific tread patterns. A Pasella is the same as a Jack Brown is the same as a (brand x) Panaracer

[RBW] Re: Why slick tires don't stick well

2016-01-07 Thread ascpgh
Bicycle tires also don't have the wide spectrum of weight and power output of vehicles, and picking tires with performance to match is critical. Cycling has a narrower envelope of grip versus wear in which to maneuver, tire makers to produce, buyers to purposely choose from and

[RBW] Re: Why slick tires don't stick well

2016-01-06 Thread Mike Shaljian
303 Aerospace Protectant was recommended by the maker of the Handlebra tape and I use it on my waterproof leather, quality product. I have wondered if it would be worth it to apply this "sunscreen for your stuff" to tire sidewalls, but haven't ever bothered with it. I wonder if it would be

[RBW] Re: Why slick tires don't stick well

2016-01-06 Thread Jan Heine
As long as the casing isn't fraying, your tires should be fine to ride. They won't just rip in half and explode. Deterioration due to UV or ozone is easy to see - look at an abandoned bike somewhere, and you'll see the "dry rot" on the tires. Most black tires use more rubber on the sidewalls,

Re: [RBW] Re: Why slick tires don't stick well

2016-01-05 Thread Patrick Moore
IIRC, Grant politely disagreed with Jobst Brandt, who dismissed the value of tread on bike tires, by spec'ing light file tread on tires like the Jack Browns, saying that this might help on wet roads, and anyway, doesn't hurt. A very small data point: I recall riding slick 32 mm Fatboys back in

[RBW] Re: Why slick tires don't stick well

2016-01-05 Thread George Schick
Interesting. One additional remark about the tires on racing cars and motorcycles: They run 'em very hot. That's why you see the cars swerving from side to side when they're going slow during a yellow caution flag in a NASCAR race, to keep 'em heated up for when the green flag goes down.

[RBW] Re: Why slick tires don't stick well

2016-01-05 Thread Michael Hechmer
Jan's observations on tread design makes a lot of sense to me, and I think, having had roly-poly,ruffy tuffy and Jack Browns, (along with Compass, panaracer, pari-moto, Michelin, and Schwabe marathon racers, and avoctes) that GP believes the same. The concern I often have with tires,