Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-18 Thread Mary Mastraccio
Karen Coyle wrote: > To be sure, I am not at all convinced that RDA has the > necessary emphasis on DATA -- it seems to be heavily oriented > toward the use of text strings. I have an issue with creating > strings like "356 pages", not because of the change from "p." > to "pages" but because th

[RDA-L] COMETS 2011 - 2nd International Track on Collaborative Modeling and Simulation - Call for Papers

2011-01-18 Thread Daniele Gianni
(Please accept our apologies if you receive multiple copies of this CfP) # IEEE WETICE 2011 2nd International Track on Collaborative Modeling and Simulation CALL FOR PAPERS

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-18 Thread Karen Coyle
Quoting Jonathan Rochkind : I think that linked data is potentially over-rated as a goal -- I'm not sure it's neccesary. However, I _am_ sure that getting our data into a more clearly documented and rational schema (aka 'data vocabulary') _is_ what we should be focusing on, and it is ALSO a

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
For that matter, conversion to MarcXML is simple, and we have many free reliable tools to do it -- it can be converted "on the fly" in an automated process -- in both directions. This is why I agree that focusing on the ISO format is a red herring, especially if you're arguing that MARCXML wou

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I think that linked data is potentially over-rated as a goal -- I'm not sure it's neccesary. However, I _am_ sure that getting our data into a more clearly documented and rational schema (aka 'data vocabulary') _is_ what we should be focusing on, and it is ALSO a pre-requisite for linked data t

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-18 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Bernhard Eversberg wrote: Where and how do you receive ISO records from LC, as a non-librarian? ... Jim, this gets us nowhere, your preoccupation with ISO! Rest assured, it is a non-issue for as much as our dealings with the populace are concerned. Where it still exists, it can be nicely circu

Re: [RDA-L] Amazon to MARC

2011-01-18 Thread Karen Coyle
I believe it is just the US amazon, and if you type in keywords you are offered a choice of books, dvds, music... and others. Here's a DVD output, and I see that it has the RDA 33x fields. Remember that someone created this for his own purposes, so rather than looking on it as a fully-forme

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-18 Thread Galen Charlton
Hi, On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Bernhard Eversberg wrote: > MarcEdit is scriptable, using VisualBasic and Windows Scripting Host. > > Apart from that, OCLC offers the free MARConvert: >  http://www.systemsplanning.com/marconvert/ > the potential of which looks to be even much wider than Mar

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-18 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
18.01.2011 13:48, Adger Williams: Is this difference of opinion based on how quickly and conveniently Marc records can be handled? Bernhard says we can use Terry Reese's MarcEdit to handle Marc records, which is certainly true and many of us do, but it doesn't satisfy James's need for "on the fl

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-18 Thread Thomas Krichel
Adger Williams writes > Are we perhaps talking about handling Marc records in real time without > programmer intervention? Programmers don't handle information in real time, computers do. In order for the computer to do it, a programmer has to write the code. There are coding tools for

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-18 Thread Adger Williams
Is this difference of opinion based on how quickly and conveniently Marc records can be handled? Bernhard says we can use Terry Reese's MarcEdit to handle Marc records, which is certainly true and many of us do, but it doesn't satisfy James's need for "on the fly" handling. Are we perhaps talking

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-18 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 18.01.2011 12:30, schrieb Weinheimer Jim: Bernhard Eversberg wrote: So, please forget about ISO2709... I wish I could forget it, but it's in our faces and we have to deal with it every single day for every single record. This is my entire point. Today, right now, if *anybody* wants to work w

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-18 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Bernhard Eversberg wrote: So, please forget about ISO2709. For all the flaws that MARC is ridden with, and I can give you a long list, this is not among them. It has nothing to do with the *content* of MARC records, and about nothing else do we need to worry, and we can easily give that content to

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-18 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 18.01.2011 10:39, schrieb Weinheimer Jim: You already supplied the same answer I would have: with MARCXML people *can*, i.e. it is possible, while with ISO2709, they *cannot*, i.e. it is impossible (practically). We can safely forget about ISO2709. It is not our problem with MARC, not at al

Re: [RDA-L] Amazon to MARC

2011-01-18 Thread Kelleher, Martin
I have to say, I'd expect Amazon to have more relevant/publisher/edition specific records than anything from IMDb. Does this site cover the multiplicity of Amazons (i.e. Amazom.co.uk, Amazon.de) etc., do you know, or just Amazon.com? Best wishes Martin Kelleher Electronic Resources/Bibliographi

Re: [RDA-L] Amazon to MARC

2011-01-18 Thread Kelleher, Martin
This is quite interesting - thankyou! Martin Kelleher Electronic Resources/Bibliographic Services Librarian University of Liverpool -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elro

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-18 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Bernhard Eversberg wrote: They could use the MARCXML records right away? You're sure about that? Has this assumption been tested with users who know nothing about MARC? Of course, they cannot use ISO-wrapped records. But even to use MARCXML records, you still have to have quite a lot of MARC insi

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-18 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 18.01.2011 09:37, schrieb Weinheimer Jim: Our current carrier is totally shot in the greater world and has to change sooner or later. This is about the most painless thing we could do. Of course it will change in the future from an XML view of the ISO2709 record (at least I hope so! For examp

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-18 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Karen Coyle wrote: > Then how do you explain the fact that the specification for URIs > includes a possibility for a query, > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-5.1 and the link to > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-3? We must be talking about different things, because I'm n