Re: [RDA-L] ISBD (was Subjective Judgements ...)

2011-03-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Have you ever TRIED to have parsing software interpret the ISBD area that winds up in 245? It is NOT easy. I suspect it may even be provably impossible in the general case, some of the stuff just isn't parseable, but I just suspect that I haven't proven it. There is a Code4Lib Journal article

Re: [RDA-L] Languge silos (was Subjective Judgements ...)

2011-03-03 Thread Culbertson, Rebecca
Quoting from Brian Green (head of the International ISBN agency)— For ISBN e-commerce is the driving force; whereas with ISSN the need to identify TITLEs in bib record and databases is the driving force. There is no agreement between publishers. Currently the International ISBN Agency is plann

Re: [RDA-L] ISBD (was Subjective Judgements ...)

2011-03-03 Thread Brunella Longo
J. McRee Elrod wrote: One of the things I like about ISBD punctuation is "/" Totally agree! Parsing software can deal with the compatibility and conversion issues retrospectively. The ISBD punctuation is one of the most beautiful flexible scalable and efficient things even happened in Catalogu

Re: [RDA-L] Languge silos (was Subjective Judgements ...)

2011-03-03 Thread Brunella Longo
A propos of numbers identifiers what do you think of the ISSN - L ? Couldn't it be a great lesson for e-books too? Brunella

Re: [RDA-L] Languge silos (was Subjective Judgements ...)

2011-03-03 Thread hecain
Quoting "Adam L. Schiff" : Will bibligraphic utilities allow multiple records with differing languge inclusions? OCLC already allows multiple records for the same resource with different language of cataloging. You can view all of them, or filter out the ones that are not in your preferr

Re: [RDA-L] Languge silos (was Subjective Judgements ...)

2011-03-03 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Will bibligraphic utilities allow multiple records with differing languge inclusions? OCLC already allows multiple records for the same resource with different language of cataloging. You can view all of them, or filter out the ones that are not in your preferred language.

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Workshop in Panama City, Fla.

2011-03-03 Thread Annie Glerum
This workshop is being sponsored by the Panhandle Library Access Network (PLAN). The registration link below brings you to their website. Sorry for the confusion. The intent of the introduction is only to credit JSC for creating the new cataloging code. Annie On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Tille

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Workshop in Panama City, Fla.

2011-03-03 Thread Tillett, Barbara
Who is sponsoring this workshop? By stating what the workshop will cover in the same paragraph that begins with explaining the JSC, makes it sound like a JSC workshopIt is not. Is it something the Florida State University is sponsoring? - Barbara Tillett (LC representative to the JSC) Fr

Re: [RDA-L] Standards (Was: Subjective Judgements in RDA 300s????)

2011-03-03 Thread Amanda Xu
Enforcing transcribed data elements using publication and cataloging standards have 1) enabled us to capture the transcribed data in machine-readable form, and 2) facilitated the communication of the data among library systems, especially ILS, ILL, document delivery, 3rd-party apps, and other syste

Re: [RDA-L] Languge silos (was Subjective Judgements ...)

2011-03-03 Thread Culbertson, Rebecca
Karen, We derive a number of cataloging records for the German Springer ebook library using the German language cataloging agency parallel records as a starting point. The best match point in these cases is the ISBN (either e or p) since these would be the same in the records generated from ei

[RDA-L] RDA Workshop in Panama City, Fla.

2011-03-03 Thread Annie Glerum
Please excuse duplicate postings * * *Transition to Resource Description and Access (RDA): Getting Catalogers Ready for the Change** * *Presenter: Dr. Robert Ellett, Ph.D.* Friday, April 29, 2011 ** 9:00 am – 2:30 am CT (10:00 am – 3:30 pm ET) Location: Florida State University ~ Panama Cit

Re: [RDA-L] Languge silos (was Subjective Judgements ...)

2011-03-03 Thread Kevin M. Randall
Karen Coyle said: > Is there anything in the records that identifies them as the same > thing, just in different languages? That's where things aren't quite as pretty. Right now, the only link between parallel records is a note in the 936 field, with the letters "PR" followed by the record numbe

Re: [RDA-L] Languge silos (was Subjective Judgements ...)

2011-03-03 Thread Karen Coyle
Is there anything in the records that identifies them as the same thing, just in different languages? kc Quoting "Kevin M. Randall" : Mac Elrod said: Granted present systems, we would have to have a separate copy of each record for any item acquired by more than one "language of cataloguin

Re: [RDA-L] Languge silos (was Subjective Judgements ...)

2011-03-03 Thread Kevin M. Randall
Mac Elrod said: > Granted present systems, we would have to have a separate copy of each > record for any item acquired by more than one "language of > cataloguing" library. How would we know which is which from a > hitlist? Will bibligraphic utilities allow multiple records with > differing la

Re: [RDA-L] Standards (Was: Subjective Judgements in RDA 300s????)

2011-03-03 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Karen Coyle wrote: Standards are only enforceable if they are measurable. There is no way to enforce a standard on transcribed data elements. The more that our data allows for free text input, the less we can do to ensure that standards are followed. What people are calling "free text" doe

Re: [RDA-L] Standards (Was: Subjective Judgements in RDA 300s????)

2011-03-03 Thread Karen Coyle
Quoting Weinheimer Jim : Still, I realize that setting up and enforcing genuine standards is really a tremendous undertaking, but it will have to be done sooner or later. Standards are only enforceable if they are measurable. There is no way to enforce a standard on transcribed data elem

[RDA-L] Standards (Was: Subjective Judgements in RDA 300s????)

2011-03-03 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Diane I. Hillmann wrote: I think what this discussion points out is a gap in how we think about who contributes to data and how it is created. In libraries we have this fantasy that catalogers are 'objective' and that's what we're trying to do when catalogers create data--provide one-size-fits-a