[RDA-L] An ideal model for an information system for fiction and its application

2012-03-16 Thread Cossham, Amanda
I would like to draw the list's attention to the following article: An ideal model for an information system for fiction and its application: Kirjasampo and Semantic Web by Kaisa Hypen and Eetu Makela (with diacritics: Hypén and Mäkelä). Library Review, Vol 60, no. 4, 2011, p. 279-292. http://w

Re: [RDA-L] Card catalogue lessons

2012-03-16 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
> -Original Message- > From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] > Sent: March 16, 2012 5:48 PM > To: Brenndorfer, Thomas > Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Card catalogue lessons > > > And again, the media type is "projected" not "projector". "Computer" > is th

Re: [RDA-L] Card catalogue lessons

2012-03-16 Thread Kevin M Randall
James Weinheimer wrote: > On 16/03/2012 16:40, Kevin M Randall wrote: > > And that kind of cooperation [e.g. with IMDB -- JW] is *exactly* the > kind of thing that linked data, and data definitions such as the RDA > elements, are intended to make possible! Without having precise data > def

Re: [RDA-L] Card catalogue lessons

2012-03-16 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Finally, why is it wrong to expect to search a library catalog for Steven Spielberg as a producer only? Because it's not the right tool, whether anybody likes it or not. James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com I disagree with James here. I think the library catalog ought to be able to

Re: [RDA-L] Card catalogue lessons

2012-03-16 Thread James Weinheimer
On 16/03/2012 16:40, Kevin M Randall wrote: And that kind of cooperation [e.g. with IMDB -- JW] is *exactly* the kind of thing that linked data, and data definitions such as the RDA elements, are intended to make possible! Without having precise data definitions, it will never come about. A

Re: [RDA-L] Card catalogue lessons

2012-03-16 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Thomas said: >"Computer" is straight out of AACR2. AACR2 uses "computer" when describing >computer carriers (AACR2 9.5B1), as in: >computer chip cartridge >computer disk >computer optical disc >computer tape cartridge >computer tape cassettee >computer tape reel These carriers are *very* rarely

[RDA-L] RDA Implementation Date Set

2012-03-16 Thread Deemer, Pam
In mentioning "users" in this discussion, no one seems really to have mentioned the effects of RDA implementation on the various other departments in a library other than the catalogers. There are more things than the cost of RDA and the RDA Toolkit and the training of catalogers to consider. Co

Re: [RDA-L] Card catalogue lessons

2012-03-16 Thread Kevin M Randall
James Weinheimer wrote: > I only hope that nobody ever searches our catalogs for someone as an > editor because they *will never* and *can never* get results they can rely > upon. How much would it cost to add all of those relators for all of those > millions of records? What an incredibly ironic

Re: [RDA-L] Card catalogue lessons

2012-03-16 Thread James Weinheimer
On 16/03/2012 15:42, Kevin M Randall wrote: James Weinheimer wrote: Of course, I don't agree with this reasoning. I don't think it is essential. Adding the relator information is additional labor for no tangible gains. While I agree that the public has terrible problems with our catalog records

Re: [RDA-L] Card catalogue lessons

2012-03-16 Thread Kevin M Randall
James Weinheimer wrote: > Of course, I don't agree with this reasoning. I don't think it is essential. > Adding the relator information is additional labor for no tangible gains. > While I agree that the public has terrible problems with our catalog > records, this would be ranked near the very bo

Re: [RDA-L] RDA/FRBR and the Business Case; Was:RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]

2012-03-16 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of James Weinheimer Sent: March 16, 2012 10:06 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA/FRBR and the Business Case; Was:RDA as the collaboratively created wa

Re: [RDA-L] RDA/FRBR and the Business Case; Was:RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]

2012-03-16 Thread James Weinheimer
On 16/03/2012 14:47, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: The world is moving on and leaving FISO behind. For instance, "find" is turning into "search" which means>creating an "intelligent agent" for our information needs. That is what Tim Berners-Lee wants and is one of the>primary goals of the Semanti

Re: [RDA-L] RDA/FRBR and the Business Case; Was:RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]

2012-03-16 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
> -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Bernhard Eversberg > Sent: March 16, 2012 6:27 AM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA/FRBR and the Business Case; Was

Re: [RDA-L] RDA/FRBR and the Business Case; Was:RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]

2012-03-16 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of James Weinheimer Sent: March 16, 2012 5:41 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA/FRBR and the Business Case; Was:RDA as the collaboratively created way

Re: [RDA-L] RDA/FRBR and the Business Case; Was:RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]

2012-03-16 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 16.03.2012 10:41, schrieb James Weinheimer: I have tried to elaborate on this in some of my podcasts. "Search" using all kinds of incredibly detailed information about you, and your friends, and their friends, and your browsing habits, and it analyses unbelievably deeply into everything you l

Re: [RDA-L] RDA/FRBR and the Business Case; Was:RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]

2012-03-16 Thread James Weinheimer
On 15/03/2012 21:33, Casey A Mullin wrote: What I'm reading in Mr. Weinheimer's criticisms is not a rejection of FISO itself. (I personally find FISO so intuitive as to be axiomatic.) What he often addresses are not these tasks themselves, but the **methods** used to fulfill said tasks. To be

Re: [RDA-L] Card catalogue lessons

2012-03-16 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 16.03.2012 09:35, schrieb James Weinheimer: Once again, if there were evidence that it does make such a major difference to the public, that would be one thing, but there has been nothing. We are all just supposed to simply believe it. Yet, I can't believe this will make a difference to any

Re: [RDA-L] Card catalogue lessons

2012-03-16 Thread James Weinheimer
On 16/03/2012 00:33, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: RDA's relationship designator is "defendant" to specify the relationship of the person to the work. Unlike anything prior, RDA tells it exactly like it is. Catalogers did this before. Here is an example of "defendant" in the Sacco and Vanzetti