I think no one has thought of that one yet, Pete! We don't have examples of
such in the NACO training materials and I haven't run across one in
authority records (but that doesn't mean that it hasn't been done. Would
like to hear what Bob Maxwell thinks about this.
Adam
ed compiled works, a
conventional collective title must be used instead.
Incidentally, although the RDA instructions do seem to be clear that the
date would be added in parentheses as you have done, in practice in MARC
these are being added in subfield $f following a period:
X. $t Poems. $k Selec
t to avoid creating two
records, so place is a better qualifer than issuing body/publisher. I'm not
a serials cataloger, so perhaps one of my more experienced serials
colleagues can chime in if I'm interpreting this policy statement
incorrectly.
Adam
Adam Schiff
University of
Current issues labeled as "Mid-Atlantic edition"
Incidentally, you can access the LC-PCC Policy Statements in the RDA Toolkit
for free. You don't need a subscription to the Toolkit to view the policy
statements.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
-Original Mess
Patricia,
It shouldn't vary from library to library if catalogers follow the
definitions of the relationship designators and apply the principal of
assigning the most specific designator available. In such a case, I think
most catalogers would arrive at using "author"
use
"creator", but if the relationship is one of authorship (writing a textual
document) then you should use the designator "author" that is defined for
that specific purpose.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
-Original Message-
From: FOGLER, PATRICIA
one. I'm wonder
why you don't just catalog it as a serial though, in which case there won't
be a conflict. Also, you don't know for sure that Trimble will be the
creator of each of the quarterly reports.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
-Original Messag
manufacture, manufacturer or manufacturers, and date or dates of
manufacture of a resource in a published form.
Manufacture statements include statements relating to the printing,
duplicating, casting, etc., of a resource in a published form.
Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of
either London or London ; Buffalo ; Toronto.
I have generally been opting to record all of the places.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
From: Seth Huber
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:12 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] Home country rule
Hi all,
Does
manifestation
of” or something similar.
Adam
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
Seattle, WA
From: Trina Pundurs
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:48 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] reprint relationships
Well, I stepped in it on this one. Rereading the
publisher, etc.
It doesn’t sound like something that users would consider bibliographically
significant enough that they would prefer one printing over another.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
From: Julie Moore
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:37 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC
You can also add subdivisions to main headings to clarify the context. For
example: War crimes--Study and teaching or Genocide--History or many other ways
to be more specific. I believe that LC is going to be making --Law and
legislation available for use under crimes as well. See the announc
lcsh
and/or
372 $a Communism--Research $2 lcsh
If you use both, they could be done in one field:
372 $a Communism--Study and teaching $a Communism--Research $2 lcsh
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
asch...@uw.edu
From: Santos Muñoz, Ricardo
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:06
Richard,
Interesting, although I find it to be a bit of a stretch to say that using
terms like this in 368 $c connotes an “other designation” in the RDA sense.
Although the field is defined as “Other Attributes of Person or Corporate
Body”, I think I’d prefer a new subfield for “other attribut
d the name
of the local place or places ..." My guess is that the editor and JSC just
never considered that more than one local place would/could be associated
with a corporate body other than a conference.
Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
asch
superfluous?
Jack
Jack Wu
Franciscan University of Steubenville
j...@franciscan.edu
>>> Adam Schiff 10/25/2013 3:42 AM >>>
In the structured (or complex) 502, subfield $a is not used. The field
itself means dissertation or thesis, and so the computer system should be
programmed t
We include nominees in 586 notes too. I think that’s an acceptable extension
of the scope of the field.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
From: Book, Marilyn
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 8:12 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Prize winners in authority
In the structured (or complex) 502, subfield $a is not used. The field
itself means dissertation or thesis, and so the computer system should be
programmed to display the data with a label like "Thesis:" or something
similar.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
asch
I think everyone is still using “verso” and “recto” if appropriate. I wouldn’t
try to find a replacement term in this case.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
From: Karen Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:55 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] title page
RDA doesn't use the term "alternate access point". The example that is
being referred to here is in 6.27.4.1 where it is clearly labeled as a
variant access point, i.e. a cross-reference in an authority record:
Construct additional variant access points if considered important for
access.
F
And really what we need are systems that use the relationships in authority
records to offer the user choices. You search for Barbara Vine and the system
asks you if you also want to retrieve her real identity Ruth Rendell. Our
OPACs don’t do a great job with this yet.
Adam Schiff
University
resource and a 700 for the
actual author. Those should be cross-refs in authority records I think.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
From: Lynne LaBare, Senior Librarian/Cataloger
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:57 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA name
ecord to a shared
database. What one does in ones local catalog is completely different, but
we would not be happy to find copy with the practice you're suggesting, Mac.
We would instruct catalogers here to upgrade the record to the standard.
Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washi
.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
-Original Message-
From: Gray-Williams, Donna
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 7:57 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)
I can't use RDA yet, so I wasn't payi
The first one is simply incorrect and should be fixed. The other
designation element (Fictitious character) should be coded in $c of the
personal name.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
-Original Message-
From: FOGLER, PATRICIA A GS-11 USAF AETC AUL/LTSC
Sent: Tuesday
Linda,
You are correct. RDA does not permit you to supply an explanation for the
title proper. You should add a 500 note instead.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
From: Linda Dausch
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:20 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L
t it would be used instead of Poems.
Selections. Another example might be James Michener’s Tales of the South
Pacific, which is a collection of sequentially related short stories.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
From: Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 4:32 AM
ity Press)". But it
could just have easily been something like "Sea (Poetry anthology : 2005)"
or many other formulations.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
-Original Message-
From: Arakawa, Steven
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 6:18 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSER
The 240 field for RDA would be used for a resource that consisted of a
single work with a creator, where the title proper of the manifestation is
not the preferred title of the work. In addition, the 240 would be used for
an expression other than the original of that single work with a creator.
ssion. I think this "contains" vs. "is" issue is a red herring. The
manifestation is NOT an expression. The expression of the work is contained
(manifested) in the manifestation.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
-Original Message-
From: Jenifer K
take statements of
responsibility from anywhere in a book, so it doesn’t matter that Rowling’s
name isn’t on the title page. She is asserted as the creator it seems, and so
she is in the AAP.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
From: rball...@frontier.com
Sent: Friday, October 04
The last time I looked at this LC-PCC PS (a few days ago), it had not yet been
changed. I don’t know if LC plans to follow the rest of the PCC on this.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
From: Panchyshyn, Roman
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:01 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC
approximate date,
splitting the difference in dates:
$d approximately 1315-
Adam
Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
From: Moore, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:56 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] A date between 1310 and 1319
We have an
I do hope that libraries that are using non-standard GMDs do not include them
in any records that they contribute to OCLC. If including GMDs in shared
records, they should be the valid ones from AACR2.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
From: Kathleen Lamantia
Sent: Friday
3330004.pdf $2
file
Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
Seattle, WA
asch...@uw.edu
From: Felix, Kyley
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 5:48 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] Cataloguing PDF files.
When cataloguing PDF files, I’m wondering
Everett,
Yes, that’s my take on the two works, although the author also describes one
as a companion, or spinoff, of the other, so he seems to consider them related
in some complementary way. I wondered whether I needed a designator like
“companion to” or “spinoff of” or something like that.
published in Seattle even though it doesn’t say it in the resource, you
don’t use the abbreviations from the appendix: 264 _1 $a [Seattle, Washington]
or 250 $a Saskatchewan edition. [not Sask. ed.]
Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
From: Liptack, Vanessa
Sent
[Charleston, South
Carolina] because you don’t abbreviate the names of states anymore in the place
of publication element.
Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
From: Saunders, Mary
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:38 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA
Oops, I meant if you are supplying a place, you wouldn’t use a postal
abbreviation.
From: Adam Schiff
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:39 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 264 question
It would not be correct to use “SC” in your place of publication. If you are
It would not be correct to use “SC” in your place of publication. If you are
supplying a date, you wouldn’t use a postal abbreviation. Either [Charleston]
or [Charleston, South Carolina].
Adam Schiff
From: Patricia Mary Gierke
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:21 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC
I would use [2011] as the publication date.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
-Original Message-
From: Mitchell, Michael
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:50 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] Catalog publication date
I'm sorry if this has been co
it should
be that there is no main content in a single language.
In any case, there is nothing in RDA at present that tells me what title
proper to choose in the example I've given above. Is a rule revision or
LC-PCC policy statement needed for this?
Adam Schiff
^^^
quot;librettist" for both the words to
the songs in a musical as well as the words spoken that aren't sung? Or
perhaps use "lyricist" for the author of the words to the songs and
"librettist" for the author of the spoken words?
Thanks,
Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
asch...@uw.edu
English. $s (Subtitled)
730 02 $I Contains (expression): $a Defiance (Motion picture : 2008). $l
French. $s (Subtitled)
730 02 $I Contains (expression): $a Defiance (Motion picture : 2008). $l
Spanish. $s (Subtitled)
--Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
From: Joan Wang
Sent:
Steiner, Max, $d 1888-1971.
240 10 $a Gone with the wind. $h Performed music
--Adam Schiff
Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
From: Joan Wang
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 9:02 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Authorized access points for
Access / Resource Description and Access
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam Schiff
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013 5:50 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Size of PDF files
Why not turn on the 34X fields for display in your catalog? This is where the
Why not turn on the 34X fields for display in your catalog? This is where the
data belongs in an RDA record.
Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
Seattle, WA 98195-2900
From: Felix, Kyley
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:13 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
I suggested that one already to JSC, but not sure what the status of it is. I
think they asked Music Library Association to consider it.
Adam
Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
From: Robert Maxwell
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 3:44 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC
LC-PCC PS for 0.0:
Supplementary Materials
LC practice: Create separate records for a main work and a supplementary
work if the supplementary work is not issued at the same time as the main
work, or if it shows important differences in titles or statements of
responsibility from those appearin
Perhaps a single unit with supplementary volumes?
-Original Message-
From: Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 7:45 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] More than one mode of issuance?
RDA 2.13.1.3 "Recording modes of issuance" says: "Record as many terms
as
)
“contained in (work)” was the only possible relationship designator that I
found in RDA. I’m wondering whether we should propose something like “theme
song from (work)” to have something more specific. Thoughts?
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
The implication of the instruction that all online resources are published
is that when making a record for the electronic thesis from the record for
the print manuscript, you'd need to change the type code to textual material
and supply a place of publication and publisher.
Adam
-Origina
The term chosen was "Party".
So, the main entry would be the "party of the first part" and the added
entries would be the "parties of the second part"?
Which leads to the "primary party" and "secondary party" or ...
"main party" and "added (or additional) parties".
But getting serious
But some people don't have any personality!
^^
Adam L. Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
Box 352900
Seattle, WA 98195-2900
(206) 543-8409
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How about:
Someone Who Did Something
or
Person Who Did Something
of course that would eliminate non-human living entities. So, in order
not to be anthropomorphic, how about:
Being That Did Something
^^
Adam L. Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University
Another issue that perhaps needs addressing is animals as authors, which
also currently do not get name headings and cannot be given entries. We
are all familiar with the books by Millie the dog and Socks (Sox?) the
cat, but commercials, fictional films and television programs, and
documentaries
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Tina Shrader wrote:
3.1.3 Facsimiles and Reproductions
I'd like to see RDA treat reproductions as follows: 1) Have
separate data elements for 'extent of original', 'extent of
reproduction', 'number of units of original', 'number of units of
reproduction', etc. Whe
I've been thinking some more about the rules for transcribing
inaccuracies. In particular, I've been thinking about the issue of
transcribing titles with inaccuracies, and the problems with this practice
when such a resource needs to be cited in a subject heading or in a
secondary access point.
mputers should have the actual copyright symbol
available to them, perhaps RDA should say to use that when it is available
and to substitute c (without the circle around it) when it is not?
Adam Schiff
**
* Adam L. Schiff *
* Principal Cataloger
Here are some comments on RDA draft chapters 4-6 and appendix D:
4.3.0.3. Describing the nature and scope of the content
All of the geographic note examples seem to be from cartographic
materials. I'd like to see a geographic coverage note that's explicitly
labeled as such, and could be fo
2.2.1 - Preferred source of information
I didn't find anything here that specifically mentions electronic
journals other than the assumption they would fall into 2.2.1.4 (other
resources). If they go here, then the only possible source mentioned is
"home page of an HTML web site." Accordin
Comments on 2.11-2.14 ...
2.11.0.1. Definition
This definition includes successively issued multiparts, and I support
that.
2.11.0.3. Recording frequency
I'd like to see a few more examples applicable to integrating resources
added to this list. For example:
Weekly updates.
Updated dail
Here are my comments on the draft RDA 2.10.
2.10.1.1. Definition
I don't know what "chief title" of a series means and I find this language
awkward. Why not cut out that part and go straight to the parenthetical
part of the definition:
The title proper of a series to which the resource bel
That RDA bit about allowing an access point to replace transcription
worries me, apart from 440. My old cataloguing teacher said all access
points ("added entries" she called them) had to be "justified" by the
description or a note. Makes sense to me.
Even the authorized form of series title
If the first issue is not in hand, and the beginning date is known or
can be estimated, it should be given (not as an option), as opposed to a
trailing comma as CONSER provides ...
Angle brackets would cover the situation nicely for supplying beginning
or ending dates (known or estinated) when f
at if Ca. appears as the abbreviation
for California, it should be transcribed as such, not changed to Calif.
The same would hold true for Wisc. if the cataloging agency followed the
LCRIs.
--Adam Schiff
Adam L. Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
Box 352900
Seattle, WA
2.9.0.3. Transcription
Optionally, supply the beginning and/or ending publication date >
enclosed in square brackets in the publication, distribution, etc.,
element if it can be readily ascertained.
Mac Elrod wrote:
This implies that the date was not on the item. Why not use angle
brack
Here are my comments on RDA draft rules 2.7-2.9:
General comments about recording publishers, distributors, etc.:
I am wondering if maybe it is time to seriously consider doing away with
abbreviating elements in the names of publishers, etc. In this day and
age, where many online systems a
I'll defer to you serials experts on this one, but Renette's proposals
seem sensible to me.
--Adam
~~
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Renette Davis wrote:
Following are some (mostly) new comments on 2.6.
Renette
2.6.1.3. Recording numeric and/or alphabetic designa
I'd also really like to hear a principled argument for having the option as
it is. Why does this apply only when there are more than 3 entities? What
is so special about "3"? I don't fully see how this arbitrary number can
be defended intellectually.
RD - Are you saying that you would like t
I was thinking some more about this issue and the fact that some libraries
might wish to actually index the contents of the publisher element in
their catalogs (besides just providing keyword indexing). With the
current MARC format it would be somewhat difficult to consistently index
the 260 sub
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, J. McRee Elrod wrote:
"Parallel title" is a long established term among cataloguers with a
clearly established meaning. I see no need to use some cumbersome
phrase to replace it, when there is a perfectly good glossary to
define the term for a first time reader.
Mac, I
Although Deborah's correct that we are no longer told to shorten the
publisher, we would still used the abbreviations prescribed in the
appendix based on the instructions in 1.6.7. Since this topic has come
up, here's what I wrote last night in a message that I hadn't yet
finished. Rather than
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, John Hostage wrote:
1.6.1.1. Capitalization of titles
- in section b) Compound terms, I don't see that the very last example
fits
this category, since it refers to a "compound term beginning with a
lower case
letter" and U-boat does not begin with a lower case letter.
J
My reply to some of Gene's points - Adam
2.3.2.2. Sources of information [of parallel titles]
The instruction to take parallel titles from any source within the
resource is a significant change in practice, at least it will be for
printed materials. Generally, I think this simplification is
Some comments on Renette's comments:
First paragraph: isn't what they are saying here what we have traditionally
called monographs in one part or in multiparts issued simultaneously? I
think the text makes you struggle to think about what kinds of resources
are they talking about, but when
Mac Elrod wrote:
There is also the argument that when there are more than three
authors, responsibility becomes diffuse, and title should be prime
entry. If one does not continue with the rules of three, would the
first of a score of authors then become prime entry?
We as catalogers have d
ions? A repeatable field with an indicator coding for the type of
designation? I know this is out of the scope of RDA, but this change has
definite MARC implications (as do some of the other changes in how data
may be recorded).
On p. 2-58, the second example, am I reading correctly to mean tha
uidelines that
say not to substitute one form of abbreviation with the prescribed
abbreviation in appendix B, then you can use Boston, MA.
I'm interested to see whether LC and/or PCC will decide to follow this
rule as written or will issue a RDARI to follow some other practice for
the sake of h
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