Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-09-02 Thread Marjorie Bloss
- Original Message - From: "Brenda Parris Parker" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA Could I ask which vendor that is? Thanks. Brenda Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access writes: >And you're

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-09-02 Thread John Espley
VTLS in the Virtua system has what I call a RDA implementation scenario one WEMI system. Please see the presentation "Insights and Processes from VTLS's 8 Years of Experience with FRBR and RDA" that Dr. Vinod Chachra and I made at the RDA101 pre-conference at the last ALA meeting in Washingto

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-09-02 Thread Brenda Parris Parker
Could I ask which vendor that is? Thanks. Brenda Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access writes: >And you're saying that there is at least one vendor currently working on >an ILS that will accommodate RDA right out of the box? Kudos to them. Brenda Par

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-09-01 Thread Marjorie Bloss
To: Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA > Marjorie Bloss wrote: > > > > Regarding vendor preparation for RDA, it would have been difficult to > > develop a system to accommodate RDA out of the box when RDA wasn't > >

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-09-01 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Marjorie Bloss wrote: Regarding vendor preparation for RDA, it would have been difficult to develop a system to accommodate RDA out of the box when RDA wasn't available until June 23rd of this year. However it would indeed have been possible for ILS vendors to redesign their systems to suppo

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-09-01 Thread Marjorie Bloss
ptual models as their basis. Marjorie Marjorie E. Bloss 2827 West Gregory Street Chicago, IL 60625 USA 1-773-878-4008 1-773-519-4009 (mobile) marjorie_bl...@msn.com - Original Message - From: "Mike Tribby" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Fee

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-31 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Good questions John. "Myers, John F." wrote: >A new coding system, like a successor to MARC? Who are you? And what >have you done to our colleague Mac? I'm quite happy with AACR2 (with a few changes such as the RDA way of entering treaties), as now coded in MARC. But IF we are to h

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-31 Thread Sylvia Hall-Ellis
., KRH #244 Denver, Colorado 80208-1700 303-871-7881 - voice 303-871-2709 - FAX - Original Message - From: Marjorie Bloss Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > But would ILS vendors develop their systems first, with

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-31 Thread Mike Tribby
>But would ILS vendors develop their systems first, without new >instructions/cataloging code on which to base their work? With the exception >of one vendor that I'm aware of, it seems to me that most vendors have waited >until RDA was pretty much a reality before deciding to move forward w

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-31 Thread Marjorie Bloss
ith a redesign of their systems. A vicious circle... Marjorie Marjorie E. Bloss 2827 West Gregory Street Chicago, IL 60625 USA 1-773-878-4008 1-773-519-4009 (mobile) marjorie_bl...@msn.com > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:30:40 -0700 > From: m...@slc.bc.ca > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Feedba

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-31 Thread Myers, John F.
J. McRee Elrod wrote: More to the point, I think, would have been a recommendation that work on RDA cease until a coding system was designed, and ILS development took place, which could accommodate the implementation of FRBR and FRAD. I think RDA implementation should be delayed at least until th

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-31 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Marjorie Bloss said: >... recommendation was that work should cease on RDA until there had been >further testing of FRBR (and FRAD). More to the point, I think, would have been a recommendation that work on RDA cease until a coding system was designed, and ILS development took place, which cou

[RDA-L] Fw: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-31 Thread Marjorie Bloss
mailto:marjorie_bl...@msn.com> - Original Message - From: Marjorie Bloss<mailto:marjorie_bl...@msn.com> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA A couple of comments... Fir

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-31 Thread Marjorie Bloss
A couple of comments... First the RDA testing timeline: The Library of Congress, the National Agriculture Library and the National Library of Medicine decided they would take six months to test RDA after its first release which was June 23rd. Testing will be done to respond to the assumptions

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-31 Thread Shirley Thomas
esource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Cookson, Ms. Melissa Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:09 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA My take on this is that there is a difference between havi

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-31 Thread Daniel CannCasciato
I think there's an improvement to the process of calling for feedback that could have helped in RDA, could help in the future as well. In the revised documents or something supporting them, provide some evidence of the response to feedback. For example, say that 17 clarifications were made of

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-31 Thread Guy Vernon Frost
GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA I shudder at the thought of hearing that argument from my doctor. What happened to continuing education and job skill development? We've been offering workshops, pre-conferences, webinars, etc., on FR-related things and RDA for several years now. There

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-31 Thread Guy Vernon Frost
Behalf Of Mike Tribby Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:25 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA > Without taking a position one way or the other on the usability RDA as a ruleset or the software ALA has wrapped it in, I'll just say that It's not fair to sa

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-31 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Myers, John F. wrote: The deadlines were there to ensure that the responses were submitted on time to the JSC which was operating under the dual time constraints of its own meeting schedule and the deadlines set by the publishers. ... Deadlines set by the publishers, well. One has to accept t

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-31 Thread Weinheimer Jim
J. McRee Elrod wrote: But I do think it is fair to say that much of the feedback has not been heeded. And one of the most important suggestions, from no less than The Library of Congress Working Group on the Future of Bibliographic Control, suggested the suspension of RDA since it doesn't do w

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-30 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Tina Shrader said: >Without taking a position one way or the other on the usability RDA >as a ruleset or the software ALA has wrapped it in, I'll just say >that It's not fair to say that there's been no feedback ... But I do think it is fair to say that much of the feedback has not been heeded.

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-30 Thread Cookson, Ms. Melissa
f Miksa, Shawne Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:49 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA I shudder at the thought of hearing that argument from my doctor. What happened to continuing education and job skill development? We've been offering workshops, pre-c

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-30 Thread Mike Tribby
>If you are unwilling to make the time, or insist to your employer that you >need time during work hours Sadly this is a non-starter in many work environments. >then what will you do when RDA is implemented and you don't have a clue what >to do? That is the paramount question for many. We hav

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-30 Thread Miksa, Shawne
f Jones, Bonnie [bjo...@spscc.ctc.edu] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:09 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA I don't think "disinterest" is exactly the right word. Speaking for myself, I am too busy keeping up with the everyday demands of m

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-30 Thread Miksa, Shawne
[rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Wilson, Margaret [mwil...@ku.edu] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:42 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA Here's another consideration. When the first draft of RDA came out I spent a considerable amount of

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-30 Thread Myers, John F.
The work involved in compiling the constituency responses to the drafts was COLOSSAL. The stated deadlines were there for good reason. In the U.S., the approximately 50 members of CC:DA were providing raw input from their personal and subconstituency perspectives, to which was added comments from

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-30 Thread Jones, Bonnie
6292 USA E-mail: bjo...@spscc.ctc.edu Phone: (360) 596-5346 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Mike Tribby Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:25 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re:

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-30 Thread Wilson, Margaret
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access on behalf of Mike Tribby Sent: Mon 8/30/2010 3:24 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA > Without taking a position one way or the other on the usability RDA as a > ruleset or the s

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-30 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
alf Of Mills, Deborah > Sent: August 30, 2010 3:14 PM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA > > > I agree with a previous poster about the convoluted language being imposed, > and am dismayed by the response from one of the RDA authors that it is >

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-30 Thread Mike Tribby
> Without taking a position one way or the other on the usability RDA as a > ruleset or the software ALA has wrapped it in, I'll just say that It's not > fair to say that there's been no feedback from the library community about > the content of the RDA instructions. The content of RDA has been

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-30 Thread Shrader, Tina
lf Of Mills, Deborah > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:14 PM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA > > Hi everyone. This is my first time posting to the list, which I joined a > couple of > weeks ago. > > Like many of you, I am struggl

Re: [RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-30 Thread Mike Tribby
>What surprises me is the speed at which it seems to be going through: I >haven't seen any mention from the powers that be about taking any length of >time to gather and process feedback after the 2 month preview, and perhaps >tweak either RDA or the toolkit to reflect changes suggested by users

[RDA-L] Feedback on RDA

2010-08-30 Thread Mills, Deborah
Hi everyone. This is my first time posting to the list, which I joined a couple of weeks ago. Like many of you, I am struggling to wrap my head around RDA and the toolkit. What surprises me is the speed at which it seems to be going through: I haven't seen any mention from the powers that be ab