Re: [RE-wrenches] CBI circuit breakers

2009-07-27 Thread boB Gudgel
Allan Sindelar wrote: Dan, My understanding is that CBI breakers aren't based on a temperature-related mechanical action, but a "magnetic-hydraulic" function. I recall that this was marketed (by Outback? Robin?) as superior to thermal-trip mechanisms as it was not prone to heat-induced nuisance t

Re: [RE-wrenches] CBI circuit breakers

2009-07-27 Thread Exeltech
Hello Allan, CBI makes both types of breakers. My explanation covers one side of that equation. If the breakers in question are in fact the mag-hyd .. you're correct - they're less prone to heat-variance in the trip current than the thermal types. Dan --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Allan Sindelar

Re: [RE-wrenches] CBI circuit breakers

2009-07-27 Thread Allan Sindelar
Dan, My understanding is that CBI breakers aren't based on a temperature-related mechanical action, but a "magnetic-hydraulic" function. I recall that this was marketed (by Outback? Robin?) as superior to thermal-trip mechanisms as it was not prone to heat-induced nuisance tripping. boB can probabl

Re: [RE-wrenches] CBI circuit breakers

2009-07-27 Thread Kent Osterberg
boB, The Mitsubishi system is just two parallel strings. The combiner was planned for future expansion. It was last fall that I had trouble with those so I don't remember if they were "off" or "tripped". The system with Evergreen panels is just three strings; it is possible but not likely

Re: [RE-wrenches] CBI circuit breakers

2009-07-27 Thread Exeltech
Wrenches, An assembly of thoughts: Circuit breakers operate on a bi-metallic temperature-related mechanical action. They are rated to hold a specific current at a specific ambient temperature. If the ambient temperature exceeds the breaker specification for a given current, the breaker will

Re: [RE-wrenches] CBI circuit breakers

2009-07-27 Thread jay peltz
HI Allan, they are designed to use a POZI drive bit I believe, which is slightly different than a phillips but works much better. I also use my large straight tip on my 8 in 1 screw driver. jay peltz power On Jul 27, 2009, at 9:56 PM, Allan Sindelar wrote: Kent, No, this hasn’t happened to m

Re: [RE-wrenches] CBI circuit breakers

2009-07-27 Thread Allan Sindelar
Kent, No, this hasn’t happened to me yet. My biggest issue with CBI breakers is finding the correct bit/tip to get good torque. I’m not sure what it is, and would appreciate hearing what works best – it’s something like a size 2½ Phillips crossed with a Whitworth square drive, or something (ne

Re: [RE-wrenches] CBI circuit breakers

2009-07-27 Thread boB Gudgel
Kent Osterberg wrote: Allan, I've had trouble with breakers opening when they shouldn't. On an array of two strings of Mitsubishi 175s (Isc = 7.9A) I had two 15-A breakers open. Last week, I had a low-power call from a customer with three strings of Evergreen 190s (Isc = 7.1A); one 15-A bre

Re: [RE-wrenches] CBI circuit breakers

2009-07-27 Thread jay peltz
Hi all, I've had one issue with the 100's of CBI breakers I've installed. It was a failed 2 pole AC breaker, all the DC ones have worked perfectly, jay peltz power \ ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@list

Re: [RE-wrenches] CBI circuit breakers

2009-07-27 Thread Kent Osterberg
Allan, I've had trouble with breakers opening when they shouldn't.  On an array of two strings of Mitsubishi 175s (Isc = 7.9A) I had two 15-A breakers open.  Last week, I had a low-power call from a customer with three strings of Evergreen 190s (Isc = 7.1A); one 15-A breaker in the combiner wa

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar electric generation system seems to make noeconomic sense

2009-07-27 Thread holtek
The analysis on the business side leaves out the 5 year accelerated depreciation allowed (federal level - in Texas it holds true with state business tax, so he might want to see if that applies there). It gets slightly convaluted in how the mechanics work depending on how depreciation is taken a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar power Magic

2009-07-27 Thread Bob-O Schultze
Hiya David, If ever there was an argument against the upfront, per-watt incentive in favor of a feed-in tariff, that's it! Bob-O On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:05 AM, David Katz wrote: Bob-O I see a use for SolarMagic from National Semiconductor in large systems with many parallel strings, installe

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar power Magic

2009-07-27 Thread David Katz
Bob-O I see a use for SolarMagic from National Semiconductor in large systems with many parallel strings, installed by inexperienced contractors who put some of the strings in the shade, not realizing how little you get with minimal shading of one string in parallel strings of modules. They

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar electric generation system seems to make noeconomic sense

2009-07-27 Thread Peter Talmage
In this analysis doesn't 465 kWh/month x $ .0633 /kWh x 12 months/yr = $353.21 saved per year not $29.43? Or am I missing something? Peter Talmage Energy and Design Northfield, Mass. > To: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > Subject: > [RE-wrenches] Solar electric generation system seems to >

[RE-wrenches] CBI circuit breakers

2009-07-27 Thread North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
Solar Pros, I've had real reservations about using traditional bus-type combiners that fit 2/0 down to #10 awg wires. They are almost always a poor fit and electrical connection for smaller gauge wires. A neat solution I found to make 100% contact with all screw-type connectors, I started us

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar electric generation system seems to make noeconomic sense

2009-07-27 Thread Mark Frye
In helping my residential customers define value, I talk about three things: 1 - economic value 2 - environmental value 3 - prestige value economic value - I like to show my customers at least a 10 year payback period, with a 10% pre-tax ROI on a 25 year term. With that I feel I can look them

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar electric generation system seems to make noeconomic sense

2009-07-27 Thread Mark Frye
Six cents a kwh is a very good price from the utility. Customers in California need to be buying energy in the upper tier rates of .25 to .45 before a good economic value is achieved. With this first pass comparison I am not going to dig any further to try and prove that there is a good value f

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar electric generation system seems to make no economic sense

2009-07-27 Thread robert ellison
All this figuring makes my head ache, that being said. Here goes. People do these systems for many reasons not always for a payback, i have always thought that that is a bad reason anyway. It might not be justifiable with a .06 per KWH rate. The rate in our area for residential is .185 per KWK an

Re: [RE-wrenches] tubes versus flat surfaces

2009-07-27 Thread Jim Grundy
Tom, You mentioned 90% as best performance for flat glass. Do you have a corresponding number for tubes, in terms of losses due to reflectance? Anyone else have any data to share? Thanks, Jim Grundy NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer Vermont Solar Specialist Plumber PS-279 Elemental En

Re: [RE-wrenches] CBI circuit breakers

2009-07-27 Thread robert ellison
All breakers have torque specs and the recomendation is to torque them then retorque then in a hour or so. This takes care of any "cold flow", that is the soft copper mioving around after it is put under pressure. It is not limited to CBI breakers, I wish i had a nickle for every breaker that I ev

[RE-wrenches] Solar electric generation system seems to make no economic sense

2009-07-27 Thread dan
Hey everyone;    I've been asked to assist a customer in investigating the possibilities of utilizing renewable energy in his small manufacturing company. following is his last email. I'm up to me arm pits in summer work at the moment, and not in the position to properly investigate or respond. wa

Re: [RE-wrenches] CBI circuit breakers

2009-07-27 Thread dan
The only problem I've had with them is that their connectors can allow multi stranded wire to "broom out", (after installation) -- causing a loose / high resistance contact. I've learned to torque / wiggle & twist and retorque all multi strand connections. I have had one side of a 60A QO breaker go