Re: [RE-wrenches] Push-in Wire Connectors

2011-10-21 Thread Drake
With electrical connections in NEMA 3R boxes, I've never had an inspector have a problem with non wet location equipment. This includes NEMA 3R service equipment with breakers, bus bars and other equipment which must stay dry. The 3R does not use a gasket like the 4X, but is reliant on the

[RE-wrenches] Wet locations: (was Push-in Wire Connectors)

2011-10-21 Thread William Miller
Friends: I have had plan checkers insist I use wet rated wire on rooftops even though the wire was in either liquid tight or EMT with raintight connectors. I did not need to dispute this because we had specified THHN wire that is also rated THWN for wet locations. This discussion makes me

Re: [RE-wrenches] Wet locations: (was Push-in Wire Connectors)

2011-10-21 Thread Jamie Johnson
William, the only explanation that I have found for using THWN-2 in conduit run through the attic is that during the day as the temperature in the attic increases, the air in the conduit expands, at night the opposite effecthappens, the temperature in the attic decreases and the volume of air in

[RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-21 Thread Allan Sindelar
Wrenches, We have been asked for a design for an off-grid system to reduce generator runtime for a mountain resort. Initial projections (consumption measurement results not yet available) suggest 15-20 kW of PV and around 30 kW of inverter capacity. However, the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-21 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Do they actually have 208v loads? If not, replace with 120/240 panel. Just a thought... Although a transformer would be required to use an existing 208v generator. Jason Szumlanski On Oct 21, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com wrote: Wrenches, We have been

Re: [RE-wrenches] Push-in Wire Connectors

2011-10-21 Thread penobscotsolar
That has been my experience as well, Drake. Typically in these Enphase installations the 3R rated box is mounted under the last panel in the string and attached to the rack. This makes it very unlikely to ever see wet conditions when properly installed. As we all know, ultimately the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Push-in Wire Connectors

2011-10-21 Thread Kent Osterberg
Glen, It's a little interesting to contrast: 300.5 Underground Installations. Shall be considered wet locations. Conductors shall be listed for wet locations. Connections shall be approved for wet locations. Where the code is quite direct about the requirement for connections. I'm

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-21 Thread Gary Willett
Allan: Also, you might consider using six to nine Schneider/Xantrex XW6048 inverters, or six to nine Outback Radian GS8048 inverters, in a 3-phase configuration, with a common battery bank. Also, Schneider/Xantrex has an 80A 600V charge controller that may be advantageous depending on the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-21 Thread Allan Sindelar
Gary, I was surprised by this information, as I had presumed that both units were for single-phase only. So I checked. Mary Raub in tech support at Outback told me that the Radian works only in 120/240 single-phase, although they are stackable in parallel.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-21 Thread Jeff Clearwater
Hey Allan, SMA is about to release a 6 KW version of the 5 KW SI if that figures in your considerations at all. And of course the advantage of the SI is you can feed power into the micro-grid anywhere along the backbone without AC coupling relays in true off-grid mode. But to stack 6 you'd

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-21 Thread Gary Willett
Alan: Thanks for setting me straight about 3-phasing the Outback Radian - I was not aware they are limited to parallel single phase applications. Regards, Gary Willett On 10/21/2011 15:29, Allan Sindelar wrote: Gary, I was surprised by this information, as I had presumed that both units

Re: [RE-wrenches] Wet locations: (was Push-in Wire Connectors)

2011-10-21 Thread Ray Walters
I started using the wet rated wire nuts, because I've found some corrosion in old connectors in outdoor boxes. BTW, why don't you like the goo filled wire nuts? They seem a decent and cost effective solution. I agree with your idea that condensation and moisture buildup

Re: [RE-wrenches] Wet locations: (was Push-in Wire Connectors)

2011-10-21 Thread William Miller
Ray/Jamie: I think that a 3R installation may be superior to a Nema 4. With a 3R any condensation build up can drain. Thanks to all of you for another round of thoughtful, well informed, technical discussion. This forum is very helpful and I really feel a lot of camaraderie even though we

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-21 Thread William Miller
Friends: I posted a question here about three weeks ago on the subject of connecting a dual SW inverter stack to a three phase generator. I have learned a lot since then. Here are the most important points: Most large, three phase generators are allegedly field convertible to be either