Re: [RE-wrenches] L feet no flashing in shingle roof

2012-07-04 Thread Jesse Dahl
This is very interesting to me. I just added 2kW to my home and this thread inspired me. I did half the array using quick mount PV, and half the array using oatey flashing and a two piece stand-off. Along with that array I added a single module on a micro I picked up cheap. I attached that mo

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outdoor woodstove/furnace and solar

2012-07-04 Thread David Katz
I have a Central Boiler brand of outdoor wood furnace. It has an electric damper that has to be powered whenever the fire is burning, which draws about 50 watts and a small circulator pump that draws a bit less than 100 watts. I stopped using it years ago because it consumed so much wood, but it

Re: [RE-wrenches] L feet no flashing in shingle roof

2012-07-04 Thread Chris Mason
I've never had that luxury, generally the underside is visible and can't be changed. We get through but it's a pain. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:36 PM, benn kilburn wrote: > Chris, > I'm pretty sure that what David means by "blocking" is if the roof has > rafters (peak to eave) rather than purlins

Re: [RE-wrenches] L feet no flashing in shingle roof

2012-07-04 Thread benn kilburn
Chris, I'm pretty sure that what David means by "blocking" is if the roof has rafters (peak to eave) rather than purlins (horizontal) then, IF you can access the underside of the roof, you properly install 'blocking' (2x4, 2x6, 2x8) against the underside of the roof sheathing, perpendicular to the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outdoor woodstove/furnace and solar

2012-07-04 Thread R Ray Walters
I worked on one off grid system like this, it worked, but you have to have a big battery bank. Also, a really good generator is mandatory. Ray On Jul 4, 2012, at 5:59 PM, bob ellison wrote: > Been there on 2 occasions, the pumps may seem like small loads but there are > usually many of them th

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outdoor woodstove/furnace and solar

2012-07-04 Thread bob ellison
Been there on 2 occasions, the pumps may seem like small loads but there are usually many of them that (at least in this area) add up to a heck of a load for anything but a huge off grid system. Don't worry the problems that result will all be the power systems and/or the system installers fault.

[RE-wrenches] Outdoor woodstove/furnace and solar

2012-07-04 Thread Ron @ earthRight Solar
Hi Wrenches, Have a client who wants to install an outdoor wood furnace for hydronic heating in his shop and home. Wondering if any have had experience with these. It seems like an intensive off-grid load because of fans and/or pumps. Any experience or model recommendations is appreciated, than

Re: [RE-wrenches] L feet no flashing in shingle roof

2012-07-04 Thread Chris Mason
I use corrugated mounting bridges - that's the problem. If the center of the beam falls in the trough, the corrugated bridge is useless. I am not sure how blocking would help. Corrugated is a pain. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:11 PM, David Brearley < david.brear...@solarprofessional.com> wrote: >

Re: [RE-wrenches] L feet no flashing in shingle roof

2012-07-04 Thread David Brearley
Bill, FWIW: none of the companies with flashed attachments solutions mentioned in the article we ran in SP1.1 were advertisers. Having said that, I do see a lot of articles in trade publications that are pretty shameless exercises in product placement. I've always found that off-putting and

Re: [RE-wrenches] L feet no flashing in shingle roof

2012-07-04 Thread Bill Loesch
David, Why does your editor put Todd's articles (and use him as a cover story) in your magazines (more than once, I believe) if it is not for his __experience__? The fact that there is a prescribed product (more than one in this case) that gets blessed when old fashioned, time tested, craft

Re: [RE-wrenches] L feet no flashing in shingle roof

2012-07-04 Thread David Brearley
Presumably most solar contractors benefit from increased sales due to the availability of a 30% federal tax credit. Arguably, that's not the same thing as "receiving public funds," but the net effect is the same. My point is simply that as an industry we are dependent upon public support and a v

Re: [RE-wrenches] L feet no flashing in shingle roof

2012-07-04 Thread David Brearley
In some cases, you can install blocking to get up on the ridge consistently. One alternative to hangar bolts is to use corrugated mounting bridges from DPW Solar or something similar from another company. Sorry I can't link to the PDF. Google: "corrugated mounting bridges" Since exposed-fastene

Re: [RE-wrenches] L feet no flashing in shingle roof

2012-07-04 Thread R Ray Walters
30 years of industry precedence is defensible. The L foot is essentially a sealed flashing as well, so we're really talking interpretation. I've done it many different ways, worked on decades old systems, and even though I was a flashing man for many years, I'm back to thinking the venerable L

Re: [RE-wrenches] L feet no flashing in shingle roof

2012-07-04 Thread Solarguy
The text doesn’t imply that the wood will not split, it simply says it can be driven in without a pilot hole. For that matter a sheet metal screw can be driven into wood without a pilot hole. The reason that the pilot hole offers an advantage is because there will be threads cut into the entire

Re: [RE-wrenches] L feet no flashing in shingle roof

2012-07-04 Thread Bill Hoffer
David I agree with you David that flashed roof attachment are the preferred attachment method and definitly the best practice method. As an industry we should be promoting that. Todd's point that they can work fine is also valid, although I would still recommend flashing if a decent product is a

Re: [RE-wrenches] L feet no flashing in shingle roof

2012-07-04 Thread mark
"Most solar contractors receive public funds"  I'll have to take issue with that one.  I know of no such contractors in my part of the US."The issue isn't whether your approach works, but whether it is defensible in the event that something leaks."Our "redneck" methods may not satisfy the big city

Re: [RE-wrenches] L feet no flashing in shingle roof

2012-07-04 Thread David Brearley
Todd, The issue isn't whether your approach works, but whether it is defensible in the event that something leaks. Most solar contractors receive public funds (rebate monies, ARRA program distributions, etc.). Some of those companies are installing systems in a manner that is not building code

Re: [RE-wrenches] L feet no flashing in shingle roof

2012-07-04 Thread Chris Mason
All of this refers to shingle roofs, which we don't see much of. We mostly deal with concrete and corrugated steel/galvalume, the latter being a nightmare. Does anyone have good ideas for dealing with corrugated? There's no way to flash it, the blocks are fine when you hit a beam on the ridge but h