Re: [RE-wrenches] Nec 225

2009-12-18 Thread Richard L Ratico
st do that? > >Dick > > > >--- You wrote: >Dick: > >I too am mystifed. I sent a request for clarification but have not >heard back. It may be some kind of power trip as we have been at odds >over many issues. I will report back. > >William Miller >Mill

Re: [RE-wrenches] 690.31E (through a building)

2009-12-20 Thread Richard L Ratico
An inspector can bump absolutely anything. That doesn't mean they've correctly interpreted the code or made a decision that increases electrical safety, only that they have the authority to call it anyway they like. What constitutes a long DC circuit in a building? Ten feet, fifty feet? What if it

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC disconnect placement

2009-12-20 Thread Richard L Ratico
William, Not sure I understand how buried PV runs protected by touchsafe fuses in combiner boxes at the array and GFCI protection at the inverters constitute a fire hazard. That's not saying I disagree with your disconnect here. I don't. If it was a 1kW system, would you still install one? I would

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC disconnect placement

2009-12-20 Thread Richard L Ratico
William, It is common in our area to install underground, unfused, transformer secondary laterals. The utilities require 3 feet of cover and marker tape located 12" below grade. I can't find a requirement for marker tape in the NEC. That's not a reason not to use it. It's inexpensive & available

Re: [RE-wrenches] low voltage disconnect

2009-12-20 Thread Richard L Ratico
Lee, The Sunny Island will shut down entirely to protect the batteries. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Wrenches. I have a customer with a stand-alone system with an XW inverter, XW controller, pole mounted array of four 235-watt panels, and 4 of the 8D gel batterie

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Automatic Watering

2009-12-21 Thread Richard L Ratico
Amen. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: All, I'm a little late on this thread, but wanted to give some contrary experience. We have, maybe, 15 BFS watering systems out there, dating back 5 to 6 years. Although I've experienced some issues in getting watering systems set up properly, o

Re: [RE-wrenches] dual stacked inverters on 208V service

2009-12-31 Thread Richard L Ratico
Nik, I haven't run into this myself, but... I think what you have is not really split phase, but two phases, out of the three available, from the three phase system in the main building. If that is the case, those legs/phases are 120 electrical degrees apart, rather than the 180 degrees you would

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter causing migraine?

2010-02-04 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Ron, One of our clients claims to be "sensitive" to exposure to EMR. I was initially sceptical, but have come to believe that considerable variation exists in the way individuals react. In our case the objection was to a wireless modem. Sensitivity to high frequency audio is likewise variable

Re: [RE-wrenches] Peel-n-stick Uni-Solar: were these ever made in 5' length?

2010-03-22 Thread Richard L Ratico
Huh? DC Power Systems stocks "peel and stick" Unisolar in 4 lengths, from 9' to 18'. Under $3.00/W. Great product. Performs well. Requires a standing seam metal roof. Best look available in solar IMHO. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT --- You wrote: The US-64's were on their site for 3

Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply Side Tap Overcurrent Protection

2010-04-01 Thread Richard L Ratico
Seconded! AMEN. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Steven, A Line Side Tap, by nature, allows us 100% of the Service Entrance Conductor Ampacity. This typically ~equals Main Breaker rating, but is regardless of the Main Breaker rating or size of Loads, it's about the conductor. NEC

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-09 Thread Richard L Ratico
IMHO it seems like we're all really on the same page here.. trying to make the the most out of the the resources we have available to work with..sun hours, pv, copper, labor, dollars, etc. Job specifics come into play. There are definitely times when a detailed cost/ benefit analysis is cal

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grid-tie Sunny Island

2010-04-11 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Dave, Depending on the house loads, you might very well do without an additional (very expensive) auto transfer switch. The inverters, of course, already have one. Just leave the Sunny Islands connected 24/7. The transfer from grid to battery is then milliseconds and flawless. The 56 amps cont

Re: [RE-wrenches] Taping Splices/Tees

2010-04-25 Thread Richard L Ratico
Peter, May be mistaken, but I don't think "Tape" is mentioned specifically anywhere in the code. What kind of splices do you have in mind? Not wirenuts I hope? One of my pet peeves, sorry. I don't have my 2008 Codebook handy. 2005 NEC Article 110.14(B) requires, "All splices and joints and the fr

Re: [RE-wrenches] Taping Splices/Tees

2010-04-25 Thread Richard L Ratico
predicted, while resistance across connections was higher. R. Walters r...@solarray.com Solar Engineer On Apr 25, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Richard L Ratico wrote: > Peter, > > May be mistaken, but I don't think "Tape" is mentioned specifically anywhere in > the code. Wha

Re: [RE-wrenches] Taping Splices/Tees

2010-04-25 Thread Richard L Ratico
0, at 6:02 AM, Richard L Ratico wrote: > Peter, > > May be mistaken, but I don't think "Tape" is mentioned specifically anywhere in > the code. What kind of splices do you have in mind? Not wirenuts I hope? One of > my pet peeves, sorry. > > I don't hav

Re: [RE-wrenches] low voltage modules in high voltage applications

2010-04-27 Thread Richard L Ratico
I second Mike's suggestion for sunglasses on startup. Wait, better go for welding helmets. Those DC arcs are bright. And I bet they didn't use listed electrical tape either! :-) Thanks for sharing this one. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Typically those types of modules a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lags & Trusses

2010-04-27 Thread Richard L Ratico
Wow, this could be a hairball. Needless to say, we've all probably already done this, more than a few times. Butas a former carpenter though claiming no expert truss knowledge, my sense is that the top chord of the trusses should be in compression. Therefore, a 3/8" diameter lag, for instan

Re: [RE-wrenches] low voltage modules in high voltage applications

2010-04-27 Thread Richard L Ratico
Just thinking out loud here.if we all sort of sit back and wait for the flames, is that where we really want to be? Granted, the party responsible for this debacle has dug their own hole, but I don't relish the thought of the waste of a building, the danger involved in fighting a fire, the poll

Re: [RE-wrenches] bare tinned solid copper

2010-05-06 Thread Richard L Ratico
My $0.02: I like the idea of bonding all the electrodes with direct buried bare copper. I always do it, typically with #4. I would use #2 if it were not so much more expensive. These are residential jobs. If I had large job, like the subject of this thread, no problem with the #2. If you only have

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transformer inrush

2010-05-12 Thread Richard L Ratico
Bill, Your branch circuit breaker is pretty small. Are you energizing both transformers simultaneously? If so, it might help to energize them individually. The branch breaker can be up to 250% of the step up transformer's primary rating. 10kVA/240V=41A. 41A x 2.5=100A. (round numbers). To do this

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transformer inrush

2010-05-13 Thread Richard L Ratico
tching I might have better luck. William Miller At 06:23 PM 5/12/2010, Richard L Ratico wrote: >Bill, >Your branch circuit breaker is pretty small. >Are you energizing both transformers simultaneously? If so, it might help to >energize them individually. > >The branch breaker

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transformer inrush

2010-05-13 Thread Richard L Ratico
buffering... I wonder if I use a large solid state relay with zero crossing switching I might have better luck. William Miller At 06:23 PM 5/12/2010, Richard L Ratico wrote: >Bill, >Your branch circuit breaker is pretty small. >Are you energizing both transformers simultaneously?

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transformer inrush

2010-05-13 Thread Richard L Ratico
ip in the input power result in another big surge requirement? Mick Abraham, Proprietor www.abrahamsolar.com Voice: 970-731-4675 2010/5/13 Richard L Ratico > Sorry for the additional post here, but it includes a typo correction: > > Bill, > > Not a lot of personal experience with

Re: [RE-wrenches] Need 5 kW 110VAC/50Hz inverter

2010-05-24 Thread Richard L Ratico
Fronius 50 Hz unit with a stepdown transformer? Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT --- You wrote: Wrenches, I need a 5 kW grid-tie inverter with 110VAC/50Hz output for a job in the Caribbean. SMA 50Hz inverters are sold out for the rest of the year. Suggestions please? Best regards, Joe

Re: [RE-wrenches] 230W 48V Module

2010-06-25 Thread Richard L Ratico
Jason, Schott's large module series might work for you. 280W to 320W though. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Can anyone help me find a 230W 48V module mfr/model? I am trying to meet a firm specification for a single panel system to charge either 36V or 48V battery banks. P.S. I'm

[RE-wrenches] Morningstar Charge Controllers

2010-06-28 Thread Richard L Ratico
Does anyone have experience with the Morningstar Tristar-MPPT-60 charge controller? Thanks in advance. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & setti

Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters

2010-07-23 Thread Richard L Ratico
William, It's my understanding the SMA Sunny Island inverters do this as well. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Darryl: There is a scenario in which problems occur: If your loads exceed the generator capacity, the Outback system will fail. The Xantrex inverters are superior in

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating DC voltage drop

2010-07-23 Thread Richard L Ratico
All, For longer, underground, array to inverter/charge controller runs, are folks using aluminum or copper? Last time I compared prices, for the same ampacity, Al was 1/3 the cost of Cu. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Hi Dana; I'd say that's a bit overkill for today's market. Tha

Re: [RE-wrenches] AL wire with DC

2010-07-23 Thread Richard L Ratico
Dana, Thanks for the input. Excuse me please, "OG jobs" are? If the wire had been copper and didn't melt, but instead continued to arc, would the resultant heat have eventually started a fire? What type of splice was it? Does no one else use Al for DC? Here in rocky Vermont/NH, we use the same

Re: [RE-wrenches] AL wire with DC

2010-07-27 Thread Richard L Ratico
The insulation on Al cable rated for direct burial is thick and tough. But, DON'T direct bury it. Carefully pull it into correctly installed PVC conduit. Use marker tape above the conduit, just below grade. If you're in an area that doesn't experience ground frost, MAYBE, VERY CAREFULLY, plant the

Re: [RE-wrenches] White Paper on on the affects of a "snow, melt, refreeze process" (no pun intended)

2010-08-06 Thread Richard L Ratico
Lee, In Maryland? Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT --- You wrote: Wrenches, Has anybody come across an analysis of the potential damage to a flat roof from snow on solar modules melting to form an ice layer on the roof and then forming subsequent layers as more snow melts or slid

Re: [RE-wrenches] Advice needed on upsizing a battery & grid interactive inverter stack

2010-08-09 Thread Richard L Ratico
Mick, SMA has something: http://www.sma.de/en/products/off-grid-inverters/smart-load.html Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT --- You wrote: Step three is most intimidating to me: We need a way to control 240 volt AC heating elements in a fine pulse width modulated PWM fashion, to prote

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aluminum conduit LBs

2010-08-13 Thread Richard L Ratico
Marco, Here's a link to some info from Thomas & Betts. The table you're looking for is at the bottom of the PDF. http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/albums//us_lc_fittings/gm102_62_67_lc1.pdf Or, call the electrical distributer you use. They may handle a different brand. Dick Ratico Solarwind Elect

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage discrepancy

2010-08-15 Thread Richard L Ratico
Drake, --- You wrote: I called her back just now, and the voltage readings on the Mate, MX and Trimetric all match. Humm. The batteries are 4, 4 1/2 year old, U.S. Battery L-16s wired in 24 volt configuration. It seems that I remember postings of Wrenches having problems with these batteries

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aluminum conduit LBs

2010-08-15 Thread Richard L Ratico
Marco, --- You wrote: I looked at the Thomas and Betts spec sheet kindly supplied by Ratico on their LB offerings and there was no notation of max conductor sizes that I could find. --- end of quote --- Look again. http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/albums//us_lc_fittings/gm102_62_67_lc1.pdf It's

Re: [RE-wrenches] useful info on wire color coding

2010-08-22 Thread Richard L Ratico
Marco, If I understand your question, not sure I do, my answer is, there is no requirement for such a relationship. Repeat to yourself, what Darryl said: Always check rotation either with a rotation meter or with a motor by bumping the motor to check its rotation. Dick says, ..Pay absolutely

Re: [RE-wrenches] Copper vs. Aluminum Conductors

2010-08-23 Thread Richard L Ratico
Most Esteemed Wrenches, Peak Copper? Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_copper http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauxite http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/23/miners-trapped-alive-chile There's a copper Superfund site 30 miles from my home here in VT. Let's use our resources wise

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter for fire protection pump

2010-08-29 Thread Richard L Ratico
Maybe another possibility if the generator is a non-starter: 1) Sealed Batteries (no maintainance) appropriately sized for the running load only, no motor starting surge 2) Single Sunny Island 5048 inverter (the most reliable IMHO) 3) 6 kVA autotransformer (boosts SI output to 240V) 4) 240V single

Re: [RE-wrenches] phase issues with SB8000US

2010-08-31 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Nik, Some questions: Is this a 3 phase service? Details on the UPS; brand, kVA, age? Breaker sizes for the circuit(s) supplying the UPS and fan? Details on the air conditioning system and fan. Are they powered through the UPS? Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Wrenchers, We i

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC to AC syncrhonizer for hydro plant.

2010-09-02 Thread Richard L Ratico
Jeremy, Not sure if this would work. but How about feeding the hydro output into a large industrial battery charger or chargers. They are available in three phase. Modify the charger by eliminating the stepdown transformer. Basically what you need is a rectifier. Then feed the resulting D

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Backup set

2010-09-03 Thread Richard L Ratico
Have you called SMA directly? SMA has other neat stuff that's only available outside the US. Apparently they don't think there's enough demand here to go through the listing process. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Wrenches, A SMA CD with their 2009-2010 product guide has a Sunny B

Re: [RE-wrenches] GEC for Enphase inverters

2010-09-15 Thread Richard L Ratico
Brian, A GEC with no splices, or only irreversable splices, has only two ends. If you need to find them to check their integrity, you know where to look. No argument about acorn clamps. Exothermic welding might someday be required. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Inspectors in Ariz

Re: [RE-wrenches] RE-wrenches Digest, Vol 3, Issue 566

2010-10-06 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hey Richard Dean, Matt's post has a lot more tech in it than yours, which has zero. This list already has a moderator, and a great one at that. I look forward to every post of Matt's. He is exceedingly generous with his knowledge, time, wisdom and wit. If you don't like it, don't read it. Shs

Re: [RE-wrenches] The perfect solar ready roof

2010-10-20 Thread Richard L Ratico
Chris, You've probably already considered and rejected this... Unisolar PVL modules on standing seam roofing. Solves the structure & wind problems. Goes fast if installed on the pans before they go on the roof. Price is pretty good per watt now. Can't beat the look. Made in USA. I think the only d

Re: [RE-wrenches] The perfect solar ready roof

2010-10-21 Thread Richard L Ratico
Chris, You most likely recall, there was a thread here discussing special standing seam attachment details required with the S-5 product. With your weather, those might be critical for the roofers to follow, should you go that route. I was unaware of the white spotting from hail you've seen on th

Re: [RE-wrenches] The perfect solar ready roof

2010-10-22 Thread Richard L Ratico
Phil's post is right on. What is the rafter spacing, 16", 24"? Is it really half inch plywood? What does the grade stamp say? Half inch maybe works in western Washington, maybe not in Montana or Vermont. Add point loads to 1/2 inch from the PV? I don't think so. Block under the plywood with 2x6

Re: [RE-wrenches] backfeeding "six disconnect" panel

2010-11-02 Thread Richard L Ratico
If I remember correctly, we worked through this in 2008. A supply side connection is NOT considered a separate service. And, seven disconnects is one more than six, and is NOT code compliant. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: I've made similar observations as Matt before about adding

Re: [RE-wrenches] eternabond or epdm?

2010-11-15 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Mark, Having learned of Eternabond on this list, we've since used the doublestick version on two, raised rib type metal roofs. Of course, it's way too early to tell how it will perform over time, but we were quite impressed during installation. It's ferociously sticky. You'll want to place

Re: [RE-wrenches] outdoor disconnects on multiple buildings

2010-11-21 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Kirk, See 2008 NEC 225.30 thru 225.40. As I understand it, separate disconnects, up to six for each array, located on the main building, are required and appropriate. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Hello, I'm working on a system which will have 5 kw on an outbuilding and 20k

Re: [RE-wrenches] Data System Puzzle

2011-02-03 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Vince, I don't know anything about Energy Recommerce, but a search of their website did not result in finding an installation manual for their combiner box, only a datasheet. You stated countless hours were spent on the phone with their technicians. If it was my job, at this point, I would want

Re: [RE-wrenches] SolarEdge Optimizer - Was: Tigo and SMA AFCI - Was: AC coupled, grid-tied Sunny Island - contactor & bypass

2013-06-05 Thread Richard L Ratico
SolarEdge makes an optimizer / inverter system. We just installed one. Our clients are happy. So are we. Don't know if you can AC couple the inverter. Their website says they are about to release a version of the optimizer that will work with other manufacturer's inverters. Dick Ratico Solarwind

Re: [RE-wrenches] Neutral - Ground Bond. Was- Outback wave form

2013-06-07 Thread Richard L Ratico
Allan, I think most gennies bond the neutral to the chassis so the circuit breakers on the gennie will trip in the event of a ground fault. If the neutrals weren't bonded and the breakers didn't trip to clear it, there would be a shock hazard on the chassis in the event of a fault. Not sure what yo

Re: [RE-wrenches] 200 Amp Main Equip for 60A Solar

2013-06-13 Thread Richard L Ratico
Jeff, Here's a link to a dual lug accessory: http://www.milbankworks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/NEAC.pdf Page44 Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Ch

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery bank during peak times

2013-06-25 Thread Richard L Ratico
Jesse, Trust your instinct. It's the best tool you've got. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cg

Re: [RE-wrenches] double insulated wire

2013-06-28 Thread Richard L Ratico
Respectfully: My Fluke 87 does not use this convention. Black is labeled the COMMON terminal, the red terminal is labeled according to function, not polarity. Battery based inverter manus. using this convention typically provide BOS enclosures with OCP for only one inverter conductor. This require

Re: [RE-wrenches] double insulated wire

2013-06-30 Thread Richard L Ratico
k. > > I have discussed this with many electricians over the years, but > > eventually every single one sees that's its really easy, no cost, and > > still code compliant to make things safer. > > > > R.Ray Walters > > CTO, Solarray, Inc > > Nabcep Certifie

Re: [RE-wrenches] double insulated wire

2013-07-01 Thread Richard L Ratico
, Inc Nabcep Certified PV Installer, Licensed Master Electrician Solar Design Engineer 303 505-8760 On 6/30/2013 9:58 AM, Richard L Ratico wrote: > Ray, > Conductors can be mislabled regardless of the system used. The accident you > described had nothing to do with conductor color or labeling. I

Re: [RE-wrenches] Painting rails

2013-07-05 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Benn, No images but the ones in my imagination. The majority of arrays are viewed at some distance, as in way up there on the roof. Most roofing materials are dark colors. There's a good chance the few parts of the rails that are visible at all, are less so than if they were silver. When gi

Re: [RE-wrenches] GFX Series with generator

2013-08-09 Thread Richard L Ratico
Bob-O, Then again, SOME of us don't buy in Walmart either. Just say'in. Sorry Michael. Couldn't help it. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Then again, SOME of us don't buy Chinese goods. On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Ryan wrote: To echo Tom the XW is probably the best product for the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Hawker versusu MK

2013-08-13 Thread Richard L Ratico
I've got two Hawker installs out here, a 48 Volt and a 24 Volt system. Both are going on 6 years or so. Clients are happy, I'm happy. It does resemble work to move and place them. We typically use "Egyptian" techniques when heavy equipment isn't available or appropriate. Inclined plane, big pry bar

Re: [RE-wrenches] PSX-240 wiring question

2013-09-08 Thread Richard L Ratico
Allan, According to Wikipedia, it is not a typo. It is, however, an excellent example of lousy technical writing / documentation. You are correct to zero in on it What Outback seems to have done, is switch from a four line drawing on the input side of the circuit to a one line drawing on the outp

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sundanzer questions

2013-09-11 Thread Richard L Ratico
One out there, now about 7 years. Customers are happy. No problems. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric You Wrote: Wrenches. We have sold four Sundanzer chest refrigerators or freezers over the last ten years. All have worked without a hitch. Today I got a call from a customer asking about DC refrige

Re: [RE-wrenches] copper roof

2013-09-16 Thread Richard L Ratico
Nik, Looks to me like there may be a major bird flyway between the dormers directly over the bottom row of modules. A google search seems to confirm a correllation between between bird droppings and copper roof staining. I agree with August, this doesn't seem to be an issue caused by dissimilar me

Re: [RE-wrenches] On demand WH

2013-09-30 Thread Richard L Ratico
As concerns standby loss, I can't speak to the others, but the Rinnai has a simple on/off button on the front of the unit. A remote controller is available which also provides the switch. It does take afew seconds for the unit to boot up. Up to three remotes may be installed, making the on /off ope

Re: [RE-wrenches] question about pole mount interconnection

2013-10-08 Thread Richard L Ratico
Ron, How do you propose to support the conduit between the poles should you run it above grade? At what height above grade? What type of conduit? You say you are interested in the industry best practice. Speaking as an licensed electrician with 20 years experience, there's no question in my mind t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Oddball wire request

2013-10-10 Thread Richard L Ratico
Thinking out loud here: Can you, 1) Use short pieces of the TC for the box entry /exit. Butt crimp, solder, insulate / heat shrink USE-2 or PV wire to the emerging TC tails. Or, 2) Can you modify the locknuts on the new 3/8" CGB by grinding or cutting to reduce their diameter? Or, 3) Ditch the lock

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fronius Installer Support Sucks

2013-10-16 Thread Richard L Ratico
Several years ago I was asked to troubleshoot two Fronius 3kW Inverters installed by others on the same system. These had been orphaned by the original dealer / installation company, which was very good at GROing and was no longer servicing their residential work. Fronius tech support was very hel

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid in Tanzania

2013-11-07 Thread Richard L Ratico
It would be interesting to be able to compare the failure rates of the two systems, particularly if they will be installed in areas with challenging environmental conditions. Boards may be lighter, but.If they add up, they may not continue to feel that way. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric ---

Re: [RE-wrenches] Mike Holt Solar Video - LIVE in your town, limited time only

2013-12-09 Thread Richard L Ratico
I watched most of the streaming video of Mike Holt and six PV industry professionals this weekend. The most interesting aspect of it was Mr. Holt's very dramatic build up to the Sunday discussion of Article 690.47(D) which brings back the requirement for an auxiliary grounding electrode for PV arra

Re: [RE-wrenches] Mike Holt Solar Video - LIVE in your town, limited time only

2013-12-10 Thread Richard L Ratico
Bill, You would do us all a great service if you would explain why, "The roof-mounted requirement was a complete mistake--and potentially dangerous in most cases." To the trained eye, as Doug Wells points out, a rooftop PV array looks like one enormous air terminal. You guys are agreeing it makes

Re: [RE-wrenches] Long transmission line inductance and LED light flicker

2014-02-03 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Troy, I'm assuming this is off grid. Could you please provide details for the system (inverters, batteries, etc.). A single, sudden, 20 amp load is not necessarily small relative to the size of the system. Is the load 120V or 240 V? Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: On Sun, Feb

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Island Battery Disconnects

2014-02-08 Thread Richard L Ratico
Ray, Way back in 2002, you mentioned using Boltswitch products for battery string fusing immediately outside the battery box. Might one of these be a partial solution for William? Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: I'm working on something similar. I think the Flex 1000 is the only

Re: [RE-wrenches] wrenches] Solar World shattered module

2014-04-23 Thread Richard L Ratico
William, The rack in your photo appears to support modules that are not properly sized for that particular DPW unit. They appear to be fastened to the rack at their third points rather than their quarter points. I've never seen that before. All the modules I've seen have been predrilled near their

Re: [RE-wrenches] EMP question

2014-04-23 Thread Richard L Ratico
It seems quite possible that a solar caused pulse could take out the grid without affecting an off grid or battery backed grid tie solar system. In fact it's already happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1989_geomagnetic_storm Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Good answer Wa

[RE-wrenches] Shattered Evergreen ES-160-SL Module, DPW TOP rack

2014-06-21 Thread Richard L Ratico
A client of mine suffered a mysterious shattered module on a DPW TOP rack. The rack holds eight of these in landscape orientation. The one that broke was in the lower, west corner of the array. The glass appears to be uniformly shattered, with pieces approximately 1/4" in size. The glass has not st

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances.

2014-06-25 Thread Richard L Ratico
William, Would UL listed crimp sleeves be an acceptable substitute where you would otherwise use wirenuts? Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Bob-O: When you say verboten, what does that mean? Not kosher? Frowned upon? Disallowed by law??? I am quite curious about this subje

Re: [RE-wrenches] Combining Multiple Inverters

2014-06-27 Thread Richard L Ratico
I may be playing devil's advocate here, but I want to add a few thoughts. Jay, I just looked at Fronius and SMA inverter data sheets. I found no spec. for an output OCPD, only a spec for max. output current. William, most inverters now come with integrated DC/AC discos. Dave, 2014 NEC 705.12(D)(1),

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Fuse Locations

2014-08-10 Thread Richard L Ratico
Drake, It seems the code is providing some flexibility for the location of OCPD in battery circuits. Placement "as close as practicable to the storage battery terminals" is ok even if that is in an enclosed space (say a battery box) where the possible accumulation of flammable gases may occur. Dic

Re: [RE-wrenches] Parallel Wire combining

2014-12-03 Thread Richard L Ratico
The "Skin Effect" largely explains why ampacity does not increase in a linear fashion with increasing wire size. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect) Dick Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Taking Jarmo's example a step further, if you unroll the 3 wires so that they are flat, place those

Re: [RE-wrenches] 480 Wye or Delta for a SolarEdge 10K 3-phase; how can I determine what this panel is?

2014-12-16 Thread Richard L Ratico
Howard, A wye connection is BY DEFINITION grounded through the fourth wire. The wires leaving that bar can be either grounded conductors (neutrals) colored white or equipment grounding conductors, bare or green. Because you measure 277 V between each line and ground, it would seem that you do have

Re: [RE-wrenches] Whisper Controller Conversion

2015-02-06 Thread Richard L Ratico
--- You wrote: Not to hijack the thread, but is there a company that anyone could recommend to repair these controllers, or a source of wiring diagrams for them? Dick Ratico Solarwind Elecric Hello wrenches, Yesterday, we converted a Whisper 200 over from 24V to 48V operation. We lowered the t

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC dump loads

2008-07-21 Thread Richard L Ratico
Darryl, Check this out: http://download.sma.de/smaprosa/dateien/4439/SL6000-11-EE2807_Internet.pdf As far as I know, and I asked SMA directly 9 months ago, this is not presently available in the US. I wish it was. I have two clients who could certainly use one. It would be great to get an update

Re: [RE-wrenches] Surrette Battery Question

2008-08-02 Thread Richard L Ratico
Allan, The timing of the problem certainly points to your high seasonal temperatures as at least a contributing factor. What is your array voltage? If it is 24V, can you relatively easily rewire for 36 or 48V? Dick Solarwind Electric Bradford,VT ___

Re: [RE-wrenches] off-grid pump controls

2008-09-08 Thread Richard L Ratico
Bruce, You may have already seen this on the Outback Users Forum, in the thread titled, "How do I use every last electron?" http://www.outbackpower.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2865 Most of the discussion applies to the FX60 & FX80, but I think there were some tips for the MX60 as well. Dick

Re: [RE-wrenches] Citel arrestors

2008-10-28 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Nik, I just ordered my first three, DS60PV-500, direct from Citel in Florida, 305-621-0022 or 800-248-3548. AEE lists them in their catalog, but when I tried to order some, I was told they hadn't been able to get them yet. According to the person I spoke with at Citel, they had no record of an

Re: [RE-wrenches] Need help to get power torque wrench

2008-11-17 Thread Richard L Ratico
--- You wrote: The post was intended to be off-list... Peter, I just re-read your reply and it still escapes me. ocd..._ --- end of quote --- Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. Dick Solarwind Electric ___ List sponsored by Home Power

Re: [RE-wrenches] SS Zip Ties

2008-12-15 Thread Richard L Ratico
Fellow Wrenches, For MC cable "management", we recently used 1 1/4" Schedule 40 PVC conduit, strapped loosely (to allow for expansion/contraction) to the our top rack rail with SS pipe clamps. The conduit was drilled with a 1 1/4" hole saw every 18" or so to match the spacing of the module pigta

Re: [RE-wrenches] SS Zip Ties

2008-12-16 Thread Richard L Ratico
:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Richard L Ratico Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:55 PM To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SS Zip Ties Fellow Wrenches, For MC cable "management", we recently used 1 1/4" Schedule 40 PVC condui

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module grounding requirements

2009-01-07 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Drake, Could you please elaborate? Dick Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT --- You wrote: Hi William, So is there no document we can read that delineates the actual requirements? The standard methods of module bonding that we use don't always seem logical. Engineers on a rec

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module grounding requirements

2009-01-07 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Drake, Thanks for your detailed reply. Hmmm. Grounding / bonding always the most misunderstood, confusing, controversial aspect of electrical work. Some thoughts: 1) The NEC is a MINIMUM standard. 2) The NEC sometimes has to play "catchup" in the case of developing

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module grounding requirements

2009-01-09 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Drake, I use the WEEB products whenever I can. I like the way they are an aggressive, "toothy", stainless steel "filling", in a nut, bolt, washer, locknut sandwich. Having seen way too much lightning damage of late, and lots of corroded mechanical lugs, it's great to have a bonding product

Re: [RE-wrenches] automatic DC switch

2009-01-23 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Dana, Maybe this is a place to start: http://relays.tycoelectronics.com/datasheets/pd90x.pdf Dick Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT --- You wrote: Hi Wrenches, I have a quirky project where I need to toggle PV DC between grid-tie inverters and an electrolyzer for a fuel cell syst

Re: [RE-wrenches] online NEC book?

2009-02-01 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Kirk, I 'm pretty sure you can purchase it online in pdf format. The NFPA website would have it. Of course, if you have specific questions, we can try to help you out. Dick Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Hello, Is there anywhere on line to find the code book in pdf or other readable f

Re: [RE-wrenches] Prices on PV

2009-02-04 Thread Richard L Ratico
Gentle men and women, I don't quite understand the seemingly nearly universal aversion to FULL DISCLOSURE of all prices: components, markup, overhead, travel, labor, whatever. This is the good old US of A, where apparently, we're still afraid of saying the taxpayers "own" the banks, even though w

Re: [RE-wrenches] 2 PV utility interconnect disconnects?

2009-02-25 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Joel, Here's a link to utility requirements in VT as of 1/8/08. See drawings #405 & #406 at the end of the document. Looks like a PITA for existing structures where a backfed breaker won't work. http://www.cvps.com/CustomerService/Book01-08.pdf Dick Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solec module needed

2009-03-06 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Allan, There are a few listings for the SM55 on eBay right now. Dick Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT --- You wrote: Any old 50W Solec modules laying around? I need one to replace one that has failed on a tracker. 13" X 51", 1998 era. An Arco or Siemens M55 would probably work ou

Re: [RE-wrenches] Chimneys Rigid vs EMT

2009-03-06 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Peter, I have installed a lot of RMC. You may have also. It is my opinion that a well secured run of this conduit, installed in this manner, could take the hit you describe and still protect the enclosed conductors. --- You wrote: (2) They also disallow a rigid conduit run anywhere on the e

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lightning protection system

2009-03-06 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Drake, Dont know why not. Meet code as much as possible: 1) AWG of the lightning down conductor adequate? 2) Use non reversible, listed connector to splice array SGEC to down conductor 3) Do you need an additional ground rod? Resistance to earth OK? 4) These rod/rods need to be bonded to t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Cables

2009-03-11 Thread Richard L Ratico
Chance, The wrenches list is also available as a searchable archive, where this subject has been previously discussed / debated at length. Rather than chastising Bob-O, you might thank him for bringing this to your attention and also to the attention of anyone else reading the list, public or pro.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Mounting system for array on a metal (delta-ribbed)roof

2009-03-14 Thread Richard L Ratico
Bob, I agree with Allan re. Tek screws. They are what the steel roofers use. As concerns your rail spacing relative to the "ribs" in the roof, I think you have a fair amount of flexibility there. Maybe, avoid the ribs altogether by varying the rail spacing accordingly, rather than rigidly adheri

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