Re: [RE-wrenches] Convex modules

2019-11-18 Thread Chris Sparadeo
Kris, It’s my understanding that this is a fairly common defect with thin framed 72 cell modules. I have noticed this convex shape mostly on modules in the 30-35mm range of frame thickness and have personally seen this with 72 cell modules from Canadian Solar, REC, Hanwha and Yingli. I have yet

Re: [RE-wrenches] Convex modules

2019-11-18 Thread Kristopher Schmid
If they were deformed with a tightened strap, it seems to me that every other module would be bowed in the opposite direction...this is not the case. Every frame is bowed up to the glass side including the one on the end that was installed glass side in for protection. I will check the glass

Re: [RE-wrenches] Convex modules

2019-11-18 Thread Jerry Shafer
Kristopher OK great, well not great to me it is a shipping packaging issue, the cardboard gap is spacing out each module and they were tightened down untill one by one the frames came into contact and crushed them together, the reason one is opposite is because it was installed backwards from the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Convex modules

2019-11-18 Thread Jerry Shafer
Module bent or glass warped OK Kristopher is the glass warped or is the frame bent, looking at the pic, there is cardboard spacing each module so there is a gap. If the binders are in the middle then that will bend one or more modules on each side, now to bend them all the way through that center

Re: [RE-wrenches] Convex modules

2019-11-18 Thread Bill Hoffer
Jay Not sure what you are implying by this comment. I do not believe that glass is pre bowed by any glass manufacturer that I know of nor on purpose by a module manufacturer. Glass is manufactured shipped and stored flat on a pallet. How were the modules Shipped? If glass down with no packing

Re: [RE-wrenches] Convex modules

2019-11-18 Thread David Katz
Yes. I think that response was lacking. And it was dated over a year ago. On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:21 AM Jerry Shafer wrote: > David, Wrenches > I do not see anything talking about glass just the frame and even if they > included glass 1 mm over 1m this is still out of that tolerance, to me

Re: [RE-wrenches] Convex modules

2019-11-18 Thread Jerry Shafer
David, Wrenches I do not see anything talking about glass just the frame and even if they included glass 1 mm over 1m this is still out of that tolerance, to me it sounds like poor quality control or is internally considered acceptable. Jerry On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 7:04 AM David Katz wrote: >

Re: [RE-wrenches] Convex modules

2019-11-18 Thread Jerry Shafer
Wrenches In the way back when years Sharp had one then two braces across the short side and stronger frames. Regarding the glass issue to me it sounds like poor quality and little QC of products. Again years ago l had a shipment of SolarWorld modules that the frames were bowed out on the long

Re: [RE-wrenches] Convex modules

2019-11-18 Thread Jeff Clearwater
Yes good thought Jay but it strikes me if we are trying to offset the results of anticipated bowing with crowning its time for a beefier frame or thicker glass. REC modules went with 2 cross bars in their frame when going to 72 cell. I’ve been observing frames get thinner over time - wondering

Re: [RE-wrenches] Convex modules

2019-11-17 Thread Kristopher Schmid
Good thought, Jay. That may be the case. On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 9:30 PM Jay wrote: > I’m wondering if it’s designed to account for gravity sag once the modules > are mounted. Lots of modules I’ve seen especially the larger format ones > seem to be concave with time. > > If I understand

Re: [RE-wrenches] Convex modules

2019-11-17 Thread Jay
I’m wondering if it’s designed to account for gravity sag once the modules are mounted. Lots of modules I’ve seen especially the larger format ones seem to be concave with time. If I understand correctly, these are bowed up which would allow them to settle flat? Jay > On Nov 17, 2019, at

Re: [RE-wrenches] Convex modules

2019-11-17 Thread Kristopher Schmid
The banding is a good thought, Glenn, except that the one module that was oriented the opposite way was deformed in the opposite direction. This rules out the forklift idea, too. I will check specs. I doubt that testing will reveal anything immediate, but I'm a bit concerned about the potential

Re: [RE-wrenches] Convex modules

2019-11-17 Thread Glenn Burt
-wrenches] Convex modules So, I opened up a pallet of Jinko 400 watt half cell modules yesterday and noticed that every module was convex to the glass side. The center was 1/4 inch higher than the corners. Has anyone else seen this? Should I be concerned? Manufacturing issue? Intentional

Re: [RE-wrenches] Convex modules

2019-11-16 Thread frenergy
Probably is not the cause but hard not to notice the big ding in the cardboard at about the right spot to cause your "deflection" from just the right whack with the fork lift.  Did it affect all the mods? Bill Feather River Solar Electric Bill Battagin, Owner 4291 Nelson St. Taylorsville, CA

Re: [RE-wrenches] Convex modules

2019-11-16 Thread Brian Mehalic
I’ve seen a system with a similar issue, visible with the naked eye looking across the fielded mods on a fairly large ground mount (and approx. 5-7 mm of “sag” across the short dimension of the mod). I cannot yet say that this is the cause, but we are seeing numerous module failures with arcing