Iron Edison RE Volt 10.2
Battery Amp Hours - 600
Charged Voltage - 56 VDC
Charge return amps- 30A
Time- 6 minutes
Charge Factor- 99%
Jeremy Rodriguez
Solar Installation / Design Expert
All Solar, Inc.
1453 M St
Penrose Colorado 81240
Sent by Jeremy's iPhone. Sorry for typos and shorthand.
On
Hi Jeremy
What lithium’s do you have?
And what are your settings on the fndc?
Jay
> On Dec 15, 2021, at 7:07 AM, Jeremy Rodriguez wrote:
>
>
> Wrenches,
> Does anyone have some recommend settings for the OB Battery monitor when
> using Lithiums
> We installed a 600 hr pack at 48v
Hi Jeremy,
I have a lot of LiFePo4 battery systems out there on the Outback platform and
we ran into that issue also. The main issue with the Low SOC alarm is the
blinking red light that tends to unsettle clients. The trigger for the Low SOC
alert is adjustable though, and it’s pretty easy to
Wrenches,
Does anyone have some recommend settings for the OB Battery monitor when using
Lithiums
We installed a 600 hr pack at 48v
the MATE has been lately throwing a LOW SOC event.
I have reached out to the battery manufacturer, and used their recommended
settings but they suggest to
enches [8] On Behalf Of Dave
Angelini Offgrid Solar
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 12:33 PM
To:
RE-wrenches [9]
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 Low Temp Charging
Damage
I can think of a few other things for the wish list! l Closed loop
charging with multiple sources.
Robust BMS design to not be a
33 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 Low Temp Charging Damage
I can think of a few other things for the wish list! l Closed loop
charging with multiple sources.
Robust BMS design to not be a new source of power failures Offgrid.
Spare BMS for sale with product that is servicab
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Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 12:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 Low Temp Charging Damage
I
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> From: RE-wrenches On Behalf Of
> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 12:33 PM
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 Low Temp Charging Damage
>
> I can think of a few other things for the wish list! l Closed loop charging
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Angelini Offgrid Solar
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 12:33 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 Low Temp Charging Damage
I can
I can think of a few other things for the wish list! l
Closed loop charging with multiple sources.
Robust BMS design to not be a new source of power failures Offgrid.
Spare BMS for sale with product that is servicable.
Gets Soc and temp into Insight and Optics
A company that will be there when I
This is the only company I know of that has dealt with the low
temperature charging issue. Its a great product, and the blue tooth
monitoring is an excellent feature too. This is what the other Li+
batteries should be doing. The big down side is they are currently
limited to 12v. Wish they
My personal opinion is that you should not buy any lithium battery that does
not provide adequate protection for all modes of operation.
Freezing does not damage the battery; charging a frozen battery may damage it
quickly. Trickle charging the battery is not the solution.
There are two
I doubt you will do any good with trickle charging at cold temps. LFP is
too efficient and there is litlle self heating, so this will not work.
Probably need to use LA or roll the dice. An expensive mistake if you
lose. Even heating pads need a fossile fuel source in cold country with
LFP
Folks,
If I have a charger that does not have low battery charge cut-off, I can
get in trouble if I have a frozen pack and apply a charging voltage.
But, if I start with a pack that is above freezing and keep a trickle
charge on it, can I keep that pack safe from freezing and damage?
Or at
I see now
Larry and Alex explained one of my problems was low capacty early shut
down. I had the cc set to absorb volts below 100% and over two years the
battery seemed to lose capacity. Voc 80 volts solar array The cc absorb 55
volts i was not charging full. The BMS. would never top balance.
Got 113 attached screen. What is different or what should I look for
please? --Dave
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 10:15:40 -0800, Alex MeVay
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> As Larry said, when a lithium BMS disconnects, this causes a "load
> dump" just like disconnecting a lead-acid battery. Well-designed
>
We did the LG RESU 48v field testing here for Schneider. Never had any
problems with this and both of their cc's. Still running fine 2 years
later.
What I found was in the effort to get to 100% Soc there would be
micro cycles of the battery. By staying below 100% there was not any more
issue
Hi All,
As Larry said, when a lithium BMS disconnects, this causes a "load
dump" just like disconnecting a lead-acid battery. Well-designed
chargers (solar or otherwise) should be able to handle this without
damage, though a failing or poorly-designed lithium battery may cause
this to happen
Hello Larry is always a good source. I have used Morningstar MPPT 60 s on
my few LiFe po4 systems 4 years now, no controller problems or equipment
problems yet. I imagine when the BMS disconnects battery voltage high,
controller output goes high for a short period i will put an Egauge on the
There was some off board chatter about this subject but I think it is useful to
some to copy my comments on the board.
If a Li battery EMS or BMS detects a fault condition, it can cause an open
circuit to the battery. As the battery owner gets familiar with their new
energy storage system,
oopsi daisyDan BrownFoxfire Energy Corp.Renewable Energy Systems(802)-483-2564www.Foxfire-Energy.com
Original Message
Subject: Re: OffList Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS
From: "b...@midnitesolar.com" <b...@midnitesolar.com>
Date: Mon, January 07, 2019 4:09 pm
Good to know Larry. I'm just trying to clarify what Dan is setting and what
outback is claiming.
Thanks
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019, 2:43 PM Starlight Solar Power Systems <
la...@starlightsolar.com wrote:
> Howie,
>
> We have many hundreds of Li battery systems sold and installed. Never had
> any
Howie,
We have many hundreds of Li battery systems sold and installed. Never had any
failure of PV controllers including Outback due to charging Li-ion.
Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems
On Jan 7, 2019, at 11:23 AM, Howie Michaelson
wrote:
Hey Dan,
Are you saying that OB is
-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS
From: jay <jay.pe...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, January 07, 2019 12:57 pm
To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
HI Dan,I’d like to know more about the system:battery brandsize of the PVvoltagejaypeltz powerOn Jan 7, 2019, at 6:46 AM, <d...@foxfire
Sorry, These are LiFePO4.. NiFe was last week.. my BadDan BrownFoxfire Energy Corp.Renewable Energy Systems(802)-483-2564www.Foxfire-Energy.com
Original Message
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS
From: Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <offgridso...@sti.net>
Date: Mon, J
Hey Dan,
Are you saying that OB is claiming that NiFePO4 batteries are smoking their
charge controllers? Do they say why? Is this also true of LiFePO4
batteries? If you wouldn't mind mentioning which battery manufacture you
are dealing with?
Thanks,
Howie Michaelson
Sun Catcher
On Mon, Jan 7,
HI Dan,
I’d like to know more about the system:
battery brand
size of the PV
voltage
jay
peltz power
> On Jan 7, 2019, at 6:46 AM,
> wrote:
>
> I've been asked to trouble shoot a problem with a new set of LiFePO4
> batteries on an older OB system.. The customer complained the system would
You state that the battery is a LiFe and Outback said it is a Nife bms.
Can you clarify please?
Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where
powerlines don't"
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On Mon, 07 Jan 2019 07:46:39
-0700, wrote:
I've been asked to trouble shoot a problem with a new set of LiFePO4 batteries on an older OB system.. The customer complained the system would go dark within a few min. of the batt indicator light going yellow.. From what I've gathered so far the BMS of the batteries is shutting down.. The
Dan,
Can you give us a quick over view of the ins and outs of the NiFe batteries?
Thanks,
Mark Frye
> Marco;
> Winter storms, hurricanes, earthquakes, tornados, floods, etc. - backup
> power. Maybe load shaving as the utilities get more persnickety on time of
> use upcharges.
>
> Of course
Hello Mark;
My NiFes went in last March, I'm almost at a year living with them off the
grid.
To avoid writing a novel here I'll group my comments into Oddities,
Advantages and Disadvantages.
Advantages:
~ at least 25 year lifespan
~ 10 year warranty
~ Can add more parallel strings at any
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From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf
Of ma...@berkeleysolar.com
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 12:28 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePO4; WAS Availability of Powerwall Batteries
Dan,
Can you give us a quick
Aloha Marco,
If most of your customers take good care of their lead battery banks, the cost
may be well more than one could justify. The types of customers I service
regularly destroy batteries for a few, repeated reasons. We offer the lithium
battery because it overcomes all the reasons their
nd who knows how that is going to go.
Best,
August
From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org
<mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>] On Behalf Of Starlight
Solar Power Systems
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 2:46 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re:
Larry,
Thank you for correcting my post. As I have not signed an NDA I
didn't know this. The only term I recall hearing was "manufacture".
Allan
Allan Sindelar
s [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org
<mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>] *On Behalf Of
*Starlight Solar Power Systems
*Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 2:46 PM
*To:* RE-wrenches
*Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePO4; WAS Availability of Powerwall
Batteries
Hi Al
Wrenches,
A longtime off grid friend of mine, with whom both I and Positive
Energy have collaborated on difficult installations over the years,
just purchased a 24V 230AH, 120 lb. LiFePO4 (Lithium Iron
Phosphate) battery bank that is locally manufactured in Albuquerque.
Hi Allan,
I would like to challenge the use of the term "locally manufactured". Mccune
Solar Works does not manufacture lithium batteries. They purchase battery cells
from China and package other third party components like EMS and relays to make
a lithium battery system. Very similar to what
Systems
*Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 2:46 PM
*To:* RE-wrenches
*Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePO4; WAS Availability of Powerwall
Batteries
Hi Allan,
I would like to challenge the use of the term "locally manufactured".
Mccune Solar Works does not manufacture lithium
] On
Behalf Of jarmo.venalai...@schneider-electric.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 7:09 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4
Hi:
We've done some testing and operation of Lion battery banks in the 10 kWh
range with our inverter chargers and so far the most important findings
William,
This is one reason I choose to avoid the black box approach to Li-ion
batteries for our customers. There are several companies offering enclosed
battery/controls like the OES. Their approach does not match well to the
off-grid and mobile markets that I serve.
Since most LFP
One thing that could possibly be done is to have a smaller lead acid
battery in parallel with the LiFePo bank
so the LiFePo contains most of the energy storage, but the LA can
supply the surges and low impedance
source voltage.
boB
On 9/18/2014 8:53 AM, Starlight Solar Power Systems
boB,
When charging a LFP battery, the charge terminates when absorb voltage is
reached unless you have an enormous charger in which case you will need to
terminate based on AH returned. You would also need to isolate the LA battery
to finish charging it. Plus, LA needs higher voltages than
Yes, well of course there are these details.
If the LFP surge is a limitation, but not its amount of overall
energy storage, then you may have to add a very large amount of LFP
storage to overcome that which
could be overkill and cost a lot of extra $.
It's all a compromise.
boB
On
Truth is there is likely more than enough capacity in the LFP battery the
customer has but the manufacturer built a limit into the “box. The limit of
our battery is set to 10C for 30 seconds. WAY more than any inverter can draw
with even a small bank.
Larry
On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:26 PM,
Oh, OK then. I thought that somebody had noticed a voltage drop when
surging.
When people ask me if they can use LFP or other Lithium chemistry
batteries, I tell them yes because
when they buy a LFP battery system, (or one of their Lithium Ion
relatives) it has all the protection
and
boB,
IMPORTANT: If you ever plan to make a Li-ion control I/O, do it with CAN bus.
The whole industry is there. Our GBS product has CAN bus on the CPU to control
a variety of chargers now. I hope inverter and CC manufacturers see this great
potential. It would be easy for my CPU to tell the
Yeah, CAN bus is used (was designed mainly) for automobiles and I bet EVs
had something to do with Lion battery BOS's being CAN.
We actually have a modbus (RS232) to CAN converter that could be used
for this
I think.
That kind of stuff isn't all that hard to do and you may find generic
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Date:09/15/2014 04:27 PM
Subject: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4
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To:
RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org,
Date:
09/16/2014 10:14 AM
Subject:
Re: [RE-wrenches
perhaps i'm just an old school old fart, but i still think flooded, lead
calcium cells are the best solution for battery back-up grid ties. i have a set
from 1986, replaced when they ended their 20 year service life from our local
hydroelectric plant... still going strong. i am also finding
William,
What did you find at the site? I did not see any attachment or link in your
email so let me know what you are working on. Do you have any questions about
the batteries/system?
Larry
On Sep 16, 2014, at 12:31 AM, William Miller will...@millersolar.com wrote:
Friends:
Here are
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Behalf Of Starlight Solar Power Systems
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:06 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4
-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On
Behalf Of William Miller
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:15 PM
To: 'RE-wrenches'
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4
Larry:
I failed to paste the link in one email. I followed up with the link below.
You may have missed the resend:
http
: Monday, September 15, 2014 7:09 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4
Hi:
We've done some testing and operation of Lion battery banks in the 10 kWh
range with our inverter chargers and so far the most important findings are:
1. The battery pack must have its own battery
7:09 PM
*To:* RE-wrenches
*Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4
Hi:
We've done some testing and operation of Lion battery banks in the 10 kWh
range with our inverter chargers and so far the most important findings are:
1. The battery pack must have its own battery management system
Mac,
Li-ion batteries are connected the same as any other deep cycle, positive and
negative terminals. The Battery management is done actively on each cell. The
brand that we sell has a CPU that receives serial data from the string of
“sense” boards that are monitoring temperature and voltage
ERROR….I meant to say ….reach 3.55 volts per cell.
On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
la...@starlightsolar.com wrote:
Mac,
Li-ion batteries are connected the same as any other deep cycle, positive and
negative terminals. The Battery management is done
Jarmo,
I must say I disagree with most of what you have said. In the EV DIY industry,
there are a growing number of conversions using LFP battery banks without any
BMS or EMS at all. These pioneers are risking there multi-thousand banks
because they have learned something about these cells.
,
Date: 09/15/2014 04:27 PM
Subject:[RE-wrenches] LiFePo4
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Wrenches:
Does anyone have any experience with Lithium Ferrous Phosphate cells?
What
Wrenches:
Does anyone have any experience with Lithium Ferrous Phosphate cells? What
are your experiences? I am looking at an installation tomorrow and would
like some input.
Thanks in advance.
William Miller
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Hi William,
I have designed and installed a few lithium iron battery banks. We now stock
the GBS line and plan to add additional brands soon. My experience is very
positive toward the performance and future of LFP and LFMP as a replacement to
lead acid for off grid, stand-by and mobile use. As
-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org,
Date:
09/15/2014 04:27 PM
Subject:
[RE-wrenches] LiFePo4
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Wrenches:
Does anyone have any experience with Lithium Ferrous Phosphate cells? What
are your experiences? I am looking
One of the projects I've been working on is a secondary LiIon battery pack
solution using refurbished EV battery modules originally build by AC
Propulsion and now needing a home.
100Ah or 200Ah x 48 volt nominal. The batteries were originally built for
EV use with relatively high performance, so
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